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    Victor=Victory=Unlimited power=Control

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    The Limitation of Power Victor.

    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
    Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

    whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trunks View Post
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    Rather, Victor loves creativity, empathy and presence.

    And creativity, empathy and presence are the fruits of the limitation of power.

    And we become what we love.

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    And that is the existential victory that makes it all worthwhile?
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trunks View Post
    Victor=Victory=Unlimited power=Control
    My thoughts exactly.

    Ideally, power should make us, well, more powerful.

    That means there's more stuff we can do. If you ask me, that sounds like freedom rather than restriction.

    Also, this reminds me a bit of the Sith Code:
    Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
    Through passion I gain strength.
    Through strength I gain power.
    Through power I gain victory.
    Through victory, my chains are broken.
    The Force shall free me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    Ideally, power should make us, well, more powerful.
    Over history we have learnt from bitter experience that power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    So we don't abolish power, rather we limit power with liberal democracy.

    And intuitively the idealists tell us power should make us more powerful, while ignoring the potential for corruption.

    So what do we say?
    - Democracy is the worst system except for all the rest -.

    And this is anathema to the idealists who are the most dangerous people in the world.

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