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  1. #11
    Senior Member The Outsider's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
    Pretty sure that guy hasn't been here in years...
    you new guys keep reviving dead threads.. this place is starting to resemble excavated ruins of times long past.
    The bones of the long dead should not bother you, Akhilleus.

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    Temporal Mechanic. Lexicon's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outsider View Post
    The bones of the long dead should not bother you, Akhilleus. know not what you speak of, child.
    who knows what sleeping evil might be awakened- what plagues shall be unleashed upon man..

    *ominous clouds gather on the horizon*

    *eerie music*'ve been warned.
    03/23 06:06:58 EcK: lex
    03/23 06:06:59 EcK: lex
    03/23 06:21:34 Nancynobullets: LEXXX *sacrifices a first born*
    03/23 06:21:53 Nancynobullets: We summon yooouuu
    03/23 06:29:07 Lexicon: I was sleeping!

    04/25 04:20:35 Patches: Don't listen to lex. She wants to birth a litter of kittens. She doesnt get to decide whats creepy

    02/16 23:49:38 ygolo: Lex is afk
    02/16 23:49:45 Cimarron: she's doing drugs with Jack

    03/05 19:27:41 Time: You can't make chat morbid. Lex does it naturally.

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    FWIW: The whole argument is contingent on belief in the Christian god; however, there is nothing in the essay which necessitates the Christian god be involved at all. It is entirely possible for an apathetic god, multiple gods, (or no god) to exist for there to still be compatibility with the idea of the noumenal world. Furthermore, I would argue that @SolitaryWalker's claims of a noumenal world are nothing more than arguments for skepticism, or that we cannot know anything beyond what we experience through the five senses. If this is true, then we should reject any claims to explain, describe, or conjecture about the noumenal world since (a.) it would be impossible to falsify those claims, (b.)it would be fruitless to describe something one has no knowledge of and can obtain no knowledge of.

    Of course, one would argue that the word of god would be enough to supersede and allay these concerns; however, one must then consider what the word of god may be and how it could be proven to mankind. If it exists purely in the noumenal world, then it would be impossible for humans to interpret or understand. If it exists in the physical world, then it still must be proven to come from god--an arduous task indeed, for if we cannot experience the noumenal world, then how would it be possible to verify the word of god? No human could do it--it would take nothing less than divine intervention to prove it. Even then, according to the constructs built up within the essay, it's arguable as to whether or not man could experience divine intervention even if it happened to him directly. I would argue that he could not, and thus skepticism is the only reply a man could make in regard to metaphysical inquiries.

    In conclusion, your argument, which I argue is the argument for skepticism, is groundless because you make claims to knowledge on which you can never have knowledge of. Furthermore, your arguments are not contingent on the Christian god.

    P.S. Your concept of relativity is backwards. The faster an object travels, the slower time is around it. Thus, if you speed up, you will perceive yourself to age at the same rate while the world around you ages more rapidly and vice-versa.
    Ti = 19 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Te = 16[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Ne = 16[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Fi = 15 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Si = 12 [][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Ni = 12 [][][][][][][][][][][][]
    Se = 11[][][][][][][][][][][]
    Fe = 0

    Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly;
    Man got to sit and wonder why, why, why;
    Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
    Man got to tell himself he understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    RaptorWizard's responce to SolitaryWalker's My Metaphysical System thread:

    The pursuit of physics, as SolitaryWalker’s article says, should be able to solve the ultimate questions of cosmology, those being: what is the world, how does it work, who made the world, what is the purpose of the world, what is our purpose, what is the ultimate nature of reality, what is the mind, does it exist independently of the body, what is the ultimate stuff they are made of, and how does this fit into the larger cosmological framework? These questions could finally answer the mystery of what life is, what the universe is, how cosmology works, and how we are related to it. Clearly there is purpose to such questions, as they show that there is mystery in life, these things being currently incapable for reliable knowledge, and that these great life mysteries are identifiable, and although we do not know the nature of these mysteries, they can be speculated upon, even if reliable knowledge of them eludes us. These metaphysical questions could perhaps be experienced and understood within the realm of human imagination. Hence, there is epistemology, the study of knowledge, and metaphysics, the study of ultimate reality. We must have metaphysical beliefs in order to ask meaningful questions, which can be verified into epistemology by science. Though the ultimate reality may possess a changeless stability, there may be a mysterious, ever changing force trapped within the essence of things, constantly in motion. The ever-vibrating force of entities seems immune to change. In order to grasp the changeless then, one must have access to infinite and eternal vision. In our phenomenal world then, it seems we have a combination of change and changelessness, though a more sophisticated sight could consist in constant change. The way force vibrates could also be a diagram of how our minds that are within time tend to perceive what is changeless and outside of time. Perhaps materiality is just a construct of the way our minds perceive the ultimate reality of immateriality. Our real selves then may receive salvation with God in the kingdom of heaven as we break away from the phenomenal world and unite with our real beings. Through science man should find meaning.

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