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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I am a Christian, an RC (I know some protestants dont believe them to be the same thing), but I have met a lot of people who share this view here, I dont know why that should actually be the case but its more complex I feel than being alienated from God as an authority principle or traditional associations or "bad religion", why do you feel this way?
    I grew up in a Bible based authoritarian culture and ultimately rejected it. Mainstream Christians will agree with me that the Jehovah's Witnesses are not the answer. What they don't understand is that from neutral mind most religions look the same in spite of any claims of exclusivity.

    For Christians supposedly the mark of truth is ultimately guided by the Holy Spirit, since it seems to require faith to recognize true Authority. This smacks to me of typical JW salesmanship. I've seen Holy Spirit in action. Holy Spirit is loneliness, it is the desire to belong to something, to be cared for. It's an act of irrational need.

    In spite of my rejection of the exclusivity of Christianity I do believe in Good and believe that there is meaning in life, which for someone concerned about those things is not evident in a purely Materialistic universe. This gives me my syncretic leanings.

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    I do think there's errors in anthropomorphising God, attributing human, all too human behaviour and thinking to him, although like I've said before you either believe in a vengeful deity or one which is a loving God, I believe that the vengeful deity thesis is fundamentally flawed, erronious, mistaken and its persistence has been a plague upon Christianity and plague upon mankind.
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I think this depends what you mean, what are "abstract guidelines" as opposed to "principles"?
    Simple example would be the church condemning all sorts of sexuality. These values are outdated and serves no useful purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I do think there's errors in anthropomorphising God, attributing human, all too human behaviour and thinking to him, although like I've said before you either believe in a vengeful deity or one which is a loving God, I believe that the vengeful deity thesis is fundamentally flawed, erronious, mistaken and its persistence has been a plague upon Christianity and plague upon mankind.
    Apparently you've never read Ezekiel 25:17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    Simple example would be the church condemning all sorts of sexuality. These values are outdated and serves no useful purpose.


    Yeah, alright, carry on with the years of knowledge wasted and ignored approach if that works for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post


    Yeah, alright, carry on with the years of knowledge wasted and ignored approach if that works for you.
    Of course it works. The advancement of knowledge involves adapting to new information. That process has been demonstrated to work much better at converging on the truth than rigid adherence to dogma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post


    Yeah, alright, carry on with the years of knowledge wasted and ignored approach if that works for you.
    Of course it works. The advancement of knowledge involves adapting to new information. That process has been demonstrated to work much better at converging on the truth than rigid adherence to dogma.

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    I don't understand why death should be the cut off point. Doesn't love keep no record of wrongs, always protects, always trusts, always perseveres, never fails? Why should the loss of the body make a difference to that? Why the divine doorslam, or fire, or worms, or darkness, or whatever? Why the chasm that can't be crossed? Why judgement day? And while we're at it, why is faith without evidence so bloody necessary? Didn't Jesus produce signs so people would believe? If so then clearly he didn't think it'd interfere with faith, or render it invalid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    Why judgement day? And while we're at it, why is faith without evidence so bloody necessary?
    Very convenient, isn't it? How else would a wealthy kings motivate the unwashed massed to sacrifice their lives for him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    Of course it works. The advancement of knowledge involves adapting to new information. That process has been demonstrated to work much better at converging on the truth than rigid adherence to dogma.
    Or you could judge innovation as wanting in the balance with tradition.

    Its why there's such a thing as college football but no, you know, college Gladiators.
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
    Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

    whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

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