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    Another person is nearly an equal to you (by definition) and so a type of mirror by which you see yourself, making the things you notice in them, such as their feelings, largely your own. To cause another person to suffer, then, would be to cause suffering in yourself, for in spite of the distance that stands between us, we, and even the universe itself, are bound together by empathy, a condition of being-one that transcends gulfs. Since we can't directly cause ourselves to suffer, for reasons described below, in order for cruelty to occur, a person must make-other, over and above any similarities.

    Consider your own hand; a moment ago, you were so much at one with it that you weren't even thinking of it; now that you're looking at it, it becomes possible to do something to it (rather than with it), for in spite of the empathy that still binds you to it, it's been separated from you.

    Suppose it occurs to you to take advantage of your hand's objectivity and stab it with a knife. The moment you think of this, you recoil, rather as you would if a loved one were threatened with a knife. What's more, you have an almost physical sense of not being able to do it, as though a magnetic wall stands between the knife and your hand.

    A will cannot act on itself, for its willing is [at one with] its willing. (Yet nothing whatsoever keeps a will from acting on itself.)

    Now suppose you rest your hand on the table and stare at it until it becomes less your own and more something foreign like a lump of wax. When this happens, it becomes very easy, insofar as you preserve that state of mind, to bring the knife down on the hand, for the hand is no longer unified with your will but at a distance from it. One might say that your hand has been dehumanized, stripped of its freedom and left at the mercy of yours.

    This same process occurs when we abuse our fellows; we detach from them and consider them lifeless objects to be treated like machinery. And unlike your hand, which will scream out in protest the moment you infringe on its rights (for you immediately reclaim your hand), the cries of other people are muffled by all the differences that lie between us. Class, nationality, gender, and religion--these are all barriers to our humanity, walls that turn us into lifeless objects devoid of freedom. Some labels are worse than others; with the right one, it's possible to create such a distance that you see another person as scum to be wiped from existence. For the person so disposed, their actions don't seem cruel; they're not aware of the pain they're causing any more than you and I are aware of hurting a stick of wood that we snap in half. To the person on the receiving end, the suffering is very real, and the name for what they're subjected to is cruelty. Every victim has one hope, and that hope is to become human like their oppressor, for no person in this world can harm himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nunki View Post
    Another person is nearly an equal to you (by definition) and so a type of mirror by which you see yourself, making the things you notice in them, such as their feelings, largely your own. To cause another person to suffer, then, would be to cause suffering in yourself, for in spite of the distance that stands between us, we, and even the universe itself, are bound together by empathy, a condition of being-one that transcends gulfs. Since we can't directly cause ourselves to suffer, for reasons described below, in order for cruelty to occur, a person must make-other, over and above any similarities.

    Consider your own hand; a moment ago, you were so much at one with it that you weren't even thinking of it; now that you're looking at it, it becomes possible to do something to it (rather than with it), for in spite of the empathy that still binds you to it, it's been separated from you.

    Suppose it occurs to you to take advantage of your hand's objectivity and stab it with a knife. The moment you think of this, you recoil, rather as you would if a loved one were threatened with a knife. What's more, you have an almost physical sense of not being able to do it, as though a magnetic wall stands between the knife and your hand.

    A will cannot act on itself, for its willing is [at one with] its willing. (Yet nothing whatsoever keeps a will from acting on itself.)

    Now suppose you rest your hand on the table and stare at it until it becomes less your own and more something foreign like a lump of wax. When this happens, it becomes very easy, insofar as you preserve that state of mind, to bring the knife down on the hand, for the hand is no longer unified with your will but at a distance from it. One might say that your hand has been dehumanized, stripped of its freedom and left at the mercy of yours.

    This same process occurs when we abuse our fellows; we detach from them and consider them lifeless objects to be treated like machinery. And unlike your hand, which will scream out in protest the moment you infringe on its rights (for you immediately reclaim your hand), the cries of other people are muffled by all the differences that lie between us. Class, nationality, gender, and religion--these are all barriers to our humanity, walls that turn us into lifeless objects devoid of freedom. Some labels are worse than others; with the right one, it's possible to create such a distance that you see another person as scum to be wiped from existence. For the person so disposed, their actions don't seem cruel; they're not aware of the pain they're causing any more than you and I are aware of hurting a stick of wood that we snap in half. To the person on the receiving end, the suffering is very real, and the name for what they're subjected to is cruelty. Every victim has one hope, and that hope is to become human like their oppressor, for no person in this world can harm himself.
    What a piece of work is man
    How noble in reason
    How infinite in faculties
    In form and moving
    How express and admirable
    In action how like an angel
    In apprehension how like a god
    The beauty of the world
    The paragon of animals

    I have of late
    But wherefore I know not
    Lost all my mirth
    This goodly frame
    The earth
    Seems to me a sterile promontory
    This most excellent canopy
    The air-- look you!
    This brave o'erhanging firmament
    This majestical roof
    Fretted with golden fire
    Why it appears no other thing to me
    Than a foul and pestilent congregation
    Of vapors

    What a piece of work is man
    How noble in reason

    How dare they try to end this beauty?

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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nunki View Post
    Another person is nearly an equal to you (by definition) and so a type of mirror by which you see yourself, making the things you notice in them, such as their feelings, largely your own. To cause another person to suffer, then, would be to cause suffering in yourself, for in spite of the distance that stands between us, we, and even the universe itself, are bound together by empathy, a condition of being-one that transcends gulfs. Since we can't directly cause ourselves to suffer, for reasons described below, in order for cruelty to occur, a person must make-other, over and above any similarities.

    Consider your own hand; a moment ago, you were so much at one with it that you weren't even thinking of it; now that you're looking at it, it becomes possible to do something to it (rather than with it), for in spite of the empathy that still binds you to it, it's been separated from you.

    Suppose it occurs to you to take advantage of your hand's objectivity and stab it with a knife. The moment you think of this, you recoil, rather as you would if a loved one were threatened with a knife. What's more, you have an almost physical sense of not being able to do it, as though a magnetic wall stands between the knife and your hand.

    A will cannot act on itself, for its willing is [at one with] its willing. (Yet nothing whatsoever keeps a will from acting on itself.)

    Now suppose you rest your hand on the table and stare at it until it becomes less your own and more something foreign like a lump of wax. When this happens, it becomes very easy, insofar as you preserve that state of mind, to bring the knife down on the hand, for the hand is no longer unified with your will but at a distance from it. One might say that your hand has been dehumanized, stripped of its freedom and left at the mercy of yours.

    This same process occurs when we abuse our fellows; we detach from them and consider them lifeless objects to be treated like machinery. And unlike your hand, which will scream out in protest the moment you infringe on its rights (for you immediately reclaim your hand), the cries of other people are muffled by all the differences that lie between us. Class, nationality, gender, and religion--these are all barriers to our humanity, walls that turn us into lifeless objects devoid of freedom. Some labels are worse than others; with the right one, it's possible to create such a distance that you see another person as scum to be wiped from existence. For the person so disposed, their actions don't seem cruel; they're not aware of the pain they're causing any more than you and I are aware of hurting a stick of wood that we snap in half. To the person on the receiving end, the suffering is very real, and the name for what they're subjected to is cruelty. Every victim has one hope, and that hope is to become human like their oppressor, for no person in this world can harm himself.

    I disagree with most of this.
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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nunki
    Class, nationality, gender, and religion--these are all barriers to our humanity, walls that turn us into lifeless objects devoid of freedom.
    It's worth mentioning that, somewhat paradoxically, these and other labels can also provide a basis for brotherhood, as with Christians gathering together under the banner of their religion. The one deciding factor as to whether a label you use dehumanizes someone is whether you wear that label yourself; if you don't, it objectifies the person you stamp it on (and, of course, to some extent a label always objectifies--to name something is to point it out as a thing--but in many cases this objectifying factor is drowned out by the ability of a label to underline and create a sense of kinship [which, all the same, comes at the cost of making other those who fall outside your brotherhood]).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    Very easily, but hardly at all.
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    I thought this was going to be about inopportune erections.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    I thought this was going to be about inopportune erections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    How can people be so heartless?
    How can people be so cruel?
    Life can make them so.

    Harden not your hearts. No truer verse in the whole bible. Except perhaps be sure of this, your sins will find you out.
    It is a luxury to be understood - Ralph Waldo Emerson

    Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities - Voltaire

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