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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    The Inquisition, after all, was not promulgated by atheists.
    [youtube="CSe38dzJYkY"]Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition![/youtube]

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    There you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helios View Post
    Atheism is simply the position that there exist no deities, or something closely akin to this. It is not a celebration of anything.
    That may be what atheism is but its not what the link was about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Not to mention all the "godly" evil regimes, like the Islamic theocracies in the Middle East. Of course, Muslims don't have a monopoly on oppression. The Inquisition, after all, was not promulgated by atheists.
    No but the holocaust, gulags, pol pot, shinning path, FARC (need I do on?) would give the inquisition a run for its money wouldnt you say? A great man once said remove the plank from your own eye before you worry about the splinter in mine.

    Peguy is having a laugh but there's an important point, the inquisition would in all likelihood have been shocking to one of us in modern times but by the standard of the day, when just about every lord had a torture chamber to keep the serfs in line and principalities used it regularly (Machavelli had his nose smashed by being hosted and then dropped from a roof beam) it was nothing special. Its been exaggerated in successive anti-clerical waves ever since, until it comes down to today when people repeat it as received wisdom without thinking to question it. Would almost make you believe in memetics.

    Ultimately people can find beauty in a world without God, its the flip side of the Jesuit finding God in all things, to them I say good luck, they dont experience the "God shaped hole" which I think everyone has (before anyone flips out this can be rationalised as a need for attachment or a myriad of things other than an actual existing diety, dont worry, I'm not here to shake your convictions or sow doubts if you're happy).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    That may be what atheism is but its not what the link was about.
    And so? You made a false claim, viz.:

    there is nothing beautiful or appealing what so ever about athiesm, it is not glorious, it is inglorious, it is a celebration of hopelessness and despair that others may be shaken and share in it too.
    I addressed this specifically. What the linked video is about is irrelevant to the truth value of your claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    No but the holocaust, gulags, pol pot, shinning path, FARC (need I do on?) would give the inquisition a run for its money wouldnt you say? A great man once said remove the plank from your own eye before you worry about the splinter in mine.
    I would be hard put to say whether worse atrocities were committed under the Inquisition, or under the regimes you cite, not all of which are atheistic, by the way. In any event, the Inquisition carried on much longer, but that is beside the point. The point is that neither atheistic regimes nor regimes involving religion have a monopoly on persecution and oppression, though the justifications usually differ. The capacity for institutionalized cruelty seems just part of the human condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    I would be hard put to say whether worse atrocities were committed under the Inquisition, or under the regimes you cite, not all of which are atheistic, by the way. In any event, the Inquisition carried on much longer, but that is beside the point. The point is that neither atheistic regimes nor regimes involving religion have a monopoly on persecution and oppression, though the justifications usually differ. The capacity for institutionalized cruelty seems just part of the human condition.
    Actually the gulags and holocaust alone, plus the whole NKVD-->KGB, and God knows what else in China and N Korea pretty much blow the Inquisition out of the water. In the end, neither has a monopoly, because humans aren't perfect, but I don't think they're even either.
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    The Inquisition had a very low execution rate, somewhere around 1.8-2% with an average of 3 people per year. Scholars have also discovered that torture was rarely used due to restrictions - such as no blood could be spilled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    No but the holocaust, gulags, pol pot, shinning path, FARC (need I do on?) would give the inquisition a run for its money wouldnt you say? A great man once said remove the

    What makes you think Hitler was An Atheist?
    His entire Nazi propaganda was based on a religion he and his cohorts constructed. With heavy Christian and some pagan influences(perverted version of early neo paganism).




    Btw there is also the issue of the Odessa connection; where the Vatican made safe passage possible for the worst of the Nazis.




    Fascism, by its nature, adopts the religious and cultural norms of the environment it exists in to gain a foothold in the population.
    If the Inquisition and the crusades and the Jihads had anything resembling the modern weapons available during the ww1/2, the European/middle eastern populations would have almost dwindled to nothingness.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Daedalus View Post
    Fascism, by its nature, adopts the religious and cultural norms of the environment it exists in to gain a foothold in the population.
    Yes they're ersatz religions, so what?

    If the Inquisition and the crusades and the Jihads had anything resembling the modern weapons available during the ww1/2, the European/middle eastern populations would have almost dwindled to nothingness.
    That's largely speculation really. Given the basic nature of Medieval thinking and society, such mass slaughter would've been out of the question.

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