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    ^ huh I've read a lot of christian books but not this one... I'll have to check this out sometime.. I'm very interested in different religions and the perspectives that people have so this seems like it will be a good read for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zang View Post
    Also deism is not theism.
    Depends on the definition one is using: Theism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Here's the full text for the book, so you don't have to buy it.

    C.S. Lewis:Mere Christianity.Table of Contents

    C.S. Lewis was a smart guy. He was best friends with Tolkien.

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    I have an analogy of my own where God is compared to a video game designer. In this analogy, the game is life, and the character is, of course, the individual in question. The programmer has complete knowledge and control over everything that occurs in the game. Hidden warps, secret codes, and dozens of other surprises are hidden throughout the game. The rules of physics in the game can be broken and altered as the programmer desires. This is why I see some of the Biblical miracles as being plausible. If God created the universe, he can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, however he wants.

    This is the idea of omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, omnitemporality, and omnibenevolence that God is claimed to have.

    Yet we're still incredulous. As we play Mario Bros. 3, we know that if you duck in humility on that ledge for a few seconds, you're not going to disappear behind the foreground of the rat race and run to get some kind of warp whistle. But we're proven wrong. In spite of all of the in-game physics that we are so dogmatically sure of, it works. As we play the game, why would we have any reason to believe in a programmer, after all, there's no evidence to be seen of him. We can see the cool level designs, and the interesting cast of characters and it strongly suggests at a designer, but where's our proof? There is none, only this thing called blind faith. The only proof of a designer is after you've conquered the game and the credits roll, but by then it's too late. If only the person in question had listened to their friend and picked up the players guide, it was all there in print, all along.

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    The Christians are right: it is Pride which has been the chief cause of misery in every nation and every family since the world began.
    The Christians had a vested interest for they were talking about Rome which was persecuting them.

    And the greatest Roman virtue was pride.

    So the Christians in their understandable hatred of Rome inverted virtue into vice, and declared pride to be the greatest vice.

    However it was the virtue of Roman pride that enabled them to last for a thousand years and lay the foundations for the modern world.

    And attend any graduation ceremony and see the pride on the faces of the parents. Parents all over the world say to their children, "I am proud of you".

    Yes, pride is one of the greatest virtues.

    Unfortunately Christianity has the morality of slaves. And to get back at their Roman masters, they declared Roman virtue to be Roman vice. And so we still have Christians telling us today that pride is the greatest sin from which all other sins spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevrawlings View Post
    That's my problem with atheism. To be curt, it's too simple and dumb.
    Unfortunately the more educated we become the more likely we are atheist.

    And in fact most scientists are atheist. And almost all Nobel Laureates of Science are atheist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And attend any graduation ceremony and see the pride on the faces of the parents. Parents all over the world say to their children, "I am proud of you".
    Come on man, read the chapter I posted, the pride that a parent has toward their child is *specifically* addressed in it.

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    And, I'm sorry, but you're analysis of prides conversion from virtue to vice is laughable. It was Jesus Christ that taught humility to his followers, specifically, and the word spread. You're saying that somehow the Christians got together and thought, hey, those Romans think they're such hot sh**, we should be like them, but the opposite. Let's all feign humility and be as unlike them as possible. I'm sorry but that's simply not true. You're talking about Roman pride, specifically, Christianity refers to pride in the general sense (which existed long before Rome).

    Now, if you're going to speak intelligently (or at the very least, speak) about the chapter I posted . . . you must read it first.

    Christianity is not at all a religion practiced by slaves, I'm free from the bondage of this world.

    Also, there are plenty of simple atheists and educated theists. That comparison is completely unfounded.

    “The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power. My Mother had taught me to seek all truth in the Bible.” - Nikola Tesla, one of the greatest minds of all time

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    I do agree that nature appears to have a design, where the difference is whether the design is a result of natural processes, God/higher being, or something unknown altogether.

    My view is that life is the result of natural processes.
    The design of the universe, I really can't anwser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevrawlings View Post
    And, I'm sorry, but you're analysis of prides conversion from virtue to vice is laughable.
    I am here to amuse you. And as hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue, what could be more hypocritical than converting pride into a vice.

    But of course you are here to convert me, to turn me from a sceptic to a believer.

    But I am as sceptical of the Trinity as I am of Zeus or Poseidon.

    But to believe in the Trinity only requires the suspension of disbelief. Exactly the same suspension required by a movie or a poem.

    And we all want the movie or the poem to be true, and this is called wish fulfilment.

    And as I wish to amuse you, I hope my wish is fulfilled.

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