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    Well, they don't call it the "Incarnation" for nothing. He was God in the meat, which is by definition carnal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    So was he or wasn't he carnal?

    And should he have been if he wasn't?
    He is a figure of myth. He can be anything we want him to be. But what we want him to be reveals us to ourselves.

    And we are revealed as misogynist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    Exactly. Sex outside of marriage wasn't as prevalent and accessible then as it is today. It happened, but not to the extent of today.
    If you consider only adultery is mentioned in the ten commandments and only once, it kind of gives an impression of how balanced a view of sexuality there was. I dont see him as having had much of an opportunity to be a thief or anythng else either, he fufilled most of the commandments in a positive sense throughout his ministry.
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
    Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

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    You guys keep talking as if the idea of him being single is fact. You don't know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Got some references for that?
    I read it in the adolescent diaries of Karen Horney.

    Adolescent Diaries K Horney: Amazon.co.uk: Horney: Books

    Sorry but I cant find it with a google book search, my anti-virus doesnt like what I find when I do that search, no doubt evidence I'm making the whole thing up but anyway...
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
    Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

    whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    ...carry out the will of his Father (to die for mankind)...
    Yes, the myth teaches that the Father was offended by us and in order to forgive us, he tortured His Son to death.

    This is blood sacrifice to appease an angry God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    You guys keep talking as if the idea of him being single is fact. You don't know that.
    Might or might not have been, James could have been his brother and James and a couple of other members of he 12 apostles could have been married. I dont see how this is controversial.
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
    Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

    whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

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    ... isn't anger one of the deadly sins?

    and didn't jesus pitch a fit and toss the moneylenders out of the temple?

    I dunno, but it doesn't seem that Jesus was completely without sin

    Unless you consider it being a clean slate whenever he prayed for forgiveness, but by that definition John Gotti died without sin
    “The phrase 'Someone ought to do something' was not, by itself, a helpful one. People who used it never added the rider 'and that someone is me'.” - Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    You guys keep talking as if the idea of him being single is fact. You don't know that.
    You guys keep talking as though a myth were literally true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    You guys keep talking as if the idea of him being single is fact. You don't know that.
    If he was, it would have been explicitly stated, don't you think? I mean, the point of the Bible is to show how God's purpose for mankind is to be fulfilled through Jesus.

    Then there's the evidence that he was a single man, including him not having a permanent residence, and, as he lay on the torture stake dying, the woman he ensured care for was his mother- who was a widow at that point, and not a wife and kids.

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