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Does anyone "deserve" to be hit?

Is it ever justified to smack somebody?


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Oberon

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If it's not right to smack the shit out of someone that's inappropriately touched/handled your gf/wife, then I don't wanna be right.

Oooh, interesting... tribal protocols. I hadn't thought of that.

EDIT: If the person isn't actually in the process of touching your gf/wife when you smack the shit out of him, I'm afraid the law (in all the jurisdictions of which I'm aware) is on the side of the perv.
 

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I don't think anyone deserves to be hit.

A greater person would walk away before resorting to violence but from own personal experience, even though i felt like shit afterwards, i did get a great sense of satisfaction swinging for someone who showed absolutely no empathy, sympathy or compassion and was able to bullshit a situation to make himself and his needs better.
 

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What kind of monsters want to hit people.

Humans. Resisting the urge to club someone with a deer antler is the influence of 10,000 years of society, but there's the influence of a few million years of early hominid ancestry underneath that.
 

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Humans. Resisting the urge to club someone with a deer antler is the influence of 10,000 years of society, but there's the influence of a few million years of early hominid ancestry underneath that.

Please! It is the criminal law and the fear of being caught that restrains the brutes.
 

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Criminal law is a product of society, is it not?

The brutes won't restrain themselves from brutalising others, so the criminal law provides an external restraint.

And of course restraint is the hallmark of emotional intelligence.

So no one expects brutes to be restrained, so we must do it for them.

Brutes are children in an adult body, and the criminal law is their parent.
 

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Brutes are children in an adult body, and the criminal law is their parent.

If so then its an abusive parent that puts there children in institutions that encourage violence/gangs, drug abuse and other forms of crime.
 

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Of course there are situations in which people deserve to be smacked.

I am not saying to beat them until they bleed (unless they are attacking/raping you, case in which I would completely agree with kicking their ass) or something like this. But sometimes a little smack is good.
 

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Anyone who initiates force or violence deserves to experience retaliation.

But that's exactly why smacking is justified. if you're child was taken hostage, the criminal needs punishment. "smacking" for criminals is jail time. Negative reinforcement for society's psychology.

In addition, come on!!!smacking is only a little violence. It's not essentially murder.
 

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But that's exactly why smacking is justified. if you're child was taken hostage, the criminal needs punishment. "smacking" for criminals is jail time. Negative reinforcement for society's psychology.

In addition, come on!!!smacking is only a little violence. It's not essentially murder.

Er, no, not at all. In my society there isnt any equivalence between the behaviour of Children and Adults, its why children do not work for a living.
 

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I think it's never justified to smack someone.

But from my perspective of growing up (late teens) I admit I've found myself occasionally laying the smackdown. And felt the other people fully deserved it. It's kind of odd, since I truely feel physical agressiveness is never good for anything. But then again, especially immature people, simply don't listen to words. It feels like smacking them around is the only way to get them to pause and think about their actions.

Ofcourse, that's just wishful thinking, and smacking them around only makes them more angry and more willing to get the revenge.

But then, how do you get out of such a situation passively?

If you're cornered, the people won't listen, and they are prepared to smack you around, would you really let them? I wouldn't, I would smack right back.

It's easy to feel cornered when being a teen, much easier than it would be to corner me now. You got your reputation to consider. Don't want to be known as a coward in school, etc. So when someone challenged me in some way, I always accepted the challenge. Had I been the passive guy running away all the time, I'd probably be subject to psychological warfare. And it seemed that getting in an occasional fight, or at the least stand your ground, prevented that.

It's sad.

Anyways, no, never justified. But I can think of situations where the results of fighting are better than not fighting. >.>
 

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I wouldn't have put it so blandly, but, yes, under certain circumstances, there are people who will need a beat down.

Perhaps in another thousand years, when humanity has become more enlightened(if we haven't blown ourselves to hell), no one will "deserve" to be hit.



Lots of sheltered idealists here...
 

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You're going to think this is librull word-splitting but I think the word "deserve" is the sticking point here. There are definitely times when a good clocking is necessary (self-defense is the only one I can think of at the moment) but it isn't exactly because the person "deserves" it. It's a practical matter, to get them off your back so you can get away.

So practically speaking, yes, it can be necessary. But ideologically speaking there's really never a reason for it IMO. Doesn't mean I don't sometimes WANT to club someone with a deer antler but I manage to hold myself back most of the time.
^^This

I tripped over the word "deserve" as well because that implies punishment more than problem solving. It equates the person with the behavior, which can lead to endless problems including dehumanizing. It brings to my mind the following quote:

HG Wells: The first man to raise a fist is the man who's run out of ideas.
 
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HG Wells: The first man to raise a fist is the man who's run out of ideas.

Yes, but running out of ideas is a frightfully common occurrence. Leave it to an intellectual like Wells to consider it a sin...
 

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Yes, but running out of ideas is a frightfully common occurrence. Leave it to an intellectual like Wells to consider it a sin...

To some people hitting is an idea. Just as yelling is an idea. Its just a matter of preference. So yes, leave it to an intelectual to push his preference.
 

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Read, "For Your Own Good", by Alice Miller and weep.

How is this related?

Er, no, not at all. In my society there isnt any equivalence between the behaviour of Children and Adults, its why children do not work for a living.
Sorry?

I was talking about *smacking* in the form of judicial law as a result of injustice. Teaching consequence for those who don't understand their immorality.

Deserving pain is not similar to the topic of justification of rare use of light violence.

Pain is used as reinforcement to those who doesn't listen to words.


Anyways, no, never justified. But I can think of situations where the results of fighting are better than not fighting. >.>
What!? Then its not "never" justified.

HG Wells: The first man to raise a fist is the man who's run out of ideas.

Raising a fist IS an idea. Not just to some people, but using the very definition of the word.
 
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