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The Traditional Values Poll

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miss fortune

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(and whatever is starting to wonder if her monitoring of what people are saying here is a form of self-torture

nah- it's more like staring at a car accident! :D )
 
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Oberon

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Now I'm getting wired up again. Explain.

Understanding why people make fun of you for your views would occur naturally as part of normal social interaction with a quality peer group...and as this understanding grew, you would also modify your views, and fewer people would make fun of you, and your peer group would expand, and you'd find that you have common ground with people who like you, and sooner or later you'd get laid by someone you love and it wouldn't be the be-all and end-all of your existence because the love is more important to you than the getting laid.

But this avenue appears closed to you, for reasons I confess I do not understand, because I don't know your story.
 

Kiddo

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Now I'm getting wired up again. Explain.

It's a painful lesson, but part of being human is realizing that you need others to live and to become a better person. Learning to accept and understand criticism and changing the way you behave to accommodate others is what it means to be an adult. And that is a value I wish I had come across much earlier in my life.
 

The Ü™

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What do we mean by "live?" I'm alive right now, so what do you mean by "to live," exactly?

What I see is people bashing me because I share different viewpoints.

And why change my views? Couldn't I also get others to change theirs? Or better yet, couldn't others also respect and try to understand my viewpoints rather than call me "ignorant?" Couldn't they accept me for my independent views?
 

Kiddo

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What do we mean by "live?" I'm alive right now, so what do you mean by "to live," exactly?

To live means to get the most of out of life. It means to enjoy your time here and to learn and grow as a human being.

What I see is people bashing me because I share different viewpoints.

What you see is a rationalization because you are afraid to admit that you may be wrong. To be human means to be fallible, and accepting that you can't be perfect is the first step to growing and becoming something better.

And why change my views? Couldn't I also get others to change theirs? Or better yet, couldn't others also respect and try to understand my viewpoints rather than call me "ignorant?" Couldn't they accept me for my independent views?

Who you are isn't defined by what you believe, but how you act on those views. People judge behavior not perception. It's poor behavior that gets you teased and ridiculed. Changing aspects of your behavior to accommodate others is a sign of maturity, just as much as acting out is a sign of immaturity.

As far as your views, you can believe anything. As I said before, if you act on them, you may meet opposition. When you don't act on them, they can't hurt anyone but yourself. And that is exactly what happens when you close your mind and don't allow you ideas, thoughts, and feelings to be reborn each day through your experiences with others. Those perceptions begin to stagnate because they are not being tuned to the real world, and you ultimately lose your ability to see the bigger picture and apply your ideas. Views need to be allowed to evolve, because the world is not any more perfect than human beings are, and it too changes constantly.
 

The Ü™

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Why does the world place importance on growth? I do not understand.

Why is it so hard for me to grow? And why is it important? Why is it so hard for me to "live" as you have described it to be?
 

Kiddo

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Why does the world place importance on growth? I do not understand.

There is birth, there is growth, and there is death. That is life. Whether it has anymore significant meaning than that is the topic for another thread. But when you are not being born or dying, then you are growing. If you are choosing not to grow then you are not a part of life, you are nothing, not even death. That kind of null existence is meaningless and purposeless, like a boat left out to drift on a lake. And just like a drifting boat being tossed around directionless with the movements of the water, you will end up being jostled around by the movements of the real world, with no aims or destination.

Why is it so hard for me to grow? And why is it important?

Why is purpose and meaning so important? For someone who asks so many questions, you should know the answer to that.

Why is it so hard for me to "live" as you have described it to be?

Because it is hard for everyone. As I said before, it is a painful lesson. We all wish we could be children forever, but one day we have to take responsibility for our own lives. It's hard work being human, and even harder still to be a good one, but to choose to be anything less is a fate worse than death.
 

FallsPioneer

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Abstinence before Marriage: No, don't think it's necessary.
Fidelity in Marriage: Yes, but I think this is basic.
Being against Pornography: It's not wrong but I don't care for it.
Being against Homosexual/Bisexual/Transgender behavior: No.
Patriotism: Good country, but not a patriot--some things I don't stand for.
Religious Freedom: Yes.
Right to Life: Against Abortion and Euthanasia: No..."right to life"...
Being against Addictive Drugs" No.
Being against Alcohol" No.
Being against Gambling" No. The past three are stupid ideas, but they aren't wrong.
Being intolerant to any behavior that may destroy individuals, families, and our culture.: Wa-hey, slanted word-choice! NO.
Discrimination as the wisdom of choosing between good and evil. "Discrimination"...good/evil? Voted no.
The Ends justifying the Means. Not always, but I voted no.
 

Morpeko

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Abstinence before Marriage - No, but I don't have issue with people who believe this.
Fidelity in Marriage - Yes, but I'm just in favour of fidelity in general. I don't agree with the idea of marriage.
Against Pornography - No.
Against Homosexual/Bisexual/Transgender behavior - What the fuck, and no.
Patriotism - Hell no.
Religious Freedom - Well, yes. As much as I wish people didn't have religion, I prefer freedom over that. I just don't think that most Americans recognize what religious freedom is, and are very hypocritical about it.
Right to Life: Against Abortion and Euthanasia - I strongly support euthanasia. My stance on abortion is a long one that isn't either "yes" or "no."
Against Addictive Drugs - Not for me, but for others, I don't mind.
Against Alcohol - No.
Against Gambling - No.
Intolerant to any behavior that may destroy individuals, families, and our culture. - Destroy this culture please. I'm not sure what "destroy individuals" means in this case, though.
Discrimination is the wisdom of choosing between good and evil. - Not sure that I agree, but I need to think of it more.
The Ends Justify the Means. - No.
 

Coriolis

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Abstinence before Marriage - that's a personal choice
Fidelity in Marriage - Yes, be faithful to those you have made commitments to
Against Pornography - personal choice; I'm not interested in it
Against Homosexual/Bisexual/Transgender behavior - no
Patriotism - yes; nationalism - no
Religious Freedom - absolutely
Right to Life: Against Abortion and Euthanasia - in favor of individual autonomy, including reproductive functions and end of life
Against Addictive Drugs - yes, at least for recreational use
Against Alcohol - No, unless it is a problem in your life
Against Gambling - as recreation, yes; we all gamble, every day
Intolerant to any behavior that may destroy individuals, families, and our culture -
Discrimination is the wisdom of choosing between good and evil - discrimination is simply making a choice, separating things based on criteria and attaching value judgments to that; we do it all the time, and often it is necessary and appropriate
The Ends Justify the Means - always; nothing else can justify the means. Requires clear, comprehensive ends.
 

Totenkindly

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I’m in a super traditional marriage. It’s so traditional that we reversed it and didn’t abstain before marriage, but now live a celibate marriage. It’s so great and I guess it puts us closer to god. I wouldn’t change the arrangement for anything. People who want sex all the time….. I just don’t understand them.
I guess you're not Against Sarcasm at least...?
 
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