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    Being ethnically Jewish is descending from Jewish people. They are traditionally endogamic enough (with focus on their status as the descendent of the Hebrew to be preserved) to be considered an ethnic group on their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loxias View Post
    Being ethnically Jewish is descending from Jewish people. They are traditionally endogamic enough (with focus on their status as the descendent of the Hebrew to be preserved) to be considered an ethnic group on their own.
    So if my Innuit mother had converted to Judaism, I would be "ethnically" Jewish?

    She's not really an Innuit, BTW...

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    No you wouldn't be ethnically Jewish. You would be a religious convert.

    To further the point, there are many Jewish who don't practice the Jewish religion. And there are a few non ethnic Jewish people who practice the Jewish religion (as converts), and who, if their convertion is halachically correct will be considered Jews by most (at least, that's how I understand it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loxias View Post
    No you wouldn't be ethnically Jewish. You would be a religious convert.
    But I haven't converted. Hypothetically she did. I would be matrilineally a Jew, by birth, despite being "ethnically" half Innuit?

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    I think common sense rules here. I don't think anyone would consider you ethnically Jewish, since it's a matter of blood line. Your mother despite her conversation wouldn't have transmitted any Jewish blood to you.
    Even if she'd brought you up in the Jewish tradition, I don't think you would be considered an ethnic Jew by many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loxias View Post
    I think common sense rules here. I don't think anyone would consider you ethnically Jewish, since it's a matter of blood line.
    As with many things, "common sense" does not rule, as you put it.

    In fact there was a long court case last year on the very subject.

    What the JFS ruling meant | Mark Hill | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

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    Interesting case, thanks for bringing it up. I hadn't heard about it.
    By common sense I meant : what would appear to be most likely to be thought by the common Jewish people (or at least those who care about who is an ethnic Jew or not), which here seems to be pretty well embodied by the school's rejection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loxias View Post
    Interesting case, thanks for bringing it up. I hadn't heard about it.
    By common sense I meant : what would appear to be most likely to be thought by the common Jewish people (or at least those who care about who is an ethnic Jew or not).
    The nazis had a similar train of thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bananatrombones View Post
    The nazis had a similar train of thought.
    I am only describing what seems to be the situation, and what I have witnessed when growing up around many (sephardic) Jewish people (nearly half of the population of one of the high schools I went to), there is a strong and conservative sense of ethnic pride and solidarity, for which the religious aspect doesn't seem to be more than a tool of affirmation, rather than the basis of the community.
    I don't see what's nazi about my noticing it. Nor even about their attitude.
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    I have started drifting more and more towards the Celtic pantheon of Gods.
    Trying to deny belief, really, but it's kind of hard not to believe.
    In any case, celtic pantheism does not preach conversion or force anyone to do anything.
    I'm not a fan of organized religion. Not at all. Mobs are stupid.
    To me, worship would rather be characterized by hunting, being in nature enjoying its splendor or skillfully performing a task.

    Deities I can assosciate with are Cernunnos, Lugh, Ogmios and the Morrígu.
    Celtic religion does not include any of the "i'm not worthy" groveling bullshit that the religions of the book does, thankfully.
    You may barter with them. Sacrifice for wish. May or may not be granted.
    This is sort of a private ticks of mine, but I have long sacrificed food, drink, coins etc when I have wanted something to happen or when I have wanted to prevent something.
    Anyway, if I am supposed to be "religious"... I can't relate with religious people at all most of the time...
    Well. If I am that... Then I am probably what you'd call pagan, even though I am a newbie.

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