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    Reality Bites.
    - Caleb

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    "Nemo me impune lacessit - No one provokes me with impunity."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle View Post
    Reality Bites.


    K, um, just give me your address, and I'll FedEx those ponies to you, first thing in the morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    Victor, that's not true. cf John 3:16.

    Sacraments are fetishistic, if anything, IMO.
    You see, Tiltyred, we are both equal.

    You think I am a fetishist and I think you are a fetishist.

    Unfortunately a fetishist is someone stuck on one foot and unable to dance.

    But the sacraments are profoundly entrancing and in a trance both belief and disbelief are suspended.

    It is only when you are fully awake, when you are in your cognitive mind, that both belief and disbelief become possible.

    In the sacramental trance you are imaginatively alive.

    And unfortunately the imaginative faculties and the cognitive faculties are mutually inhibiting.

    So at any particular time you must choose one or the other.

    Of course ideally one chooses them alternatively, as in l'alternance.

    And to favour one over the other is simply vulgar and literal minded.

    But what is more beautiful than the dance of the imagination and the intellect.

    We need two feet to dance - the imagination and the intellect.

    Shall we dance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post


    K, um, just give me your address, and I'll FedEx those ponies to you, first thing in the morning.
    No thanks. I've never seen the movie. I just remember things people say. I thought I was right and then googled it to be sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle View Post
    No thanks. I've never seen the movie. I just remember things people say. I thought I was right and then googled it to be sure.
    Interesting, my auditory memory is crap-ass bad, compared to my visual memory.

    I highly recommend the movie, btw, it's hilarious!!!
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    I'm a sensor.. I remember a lot of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    It does depend on who you ask. The most basic requirement is a confession of faith. As in, for example, the Apostle's Creed.

    Personally, I do believe that most of the Bible is a metaphor for greater wisdom; however, I asked to be baptized at age 7 and I have been studying for decades. I think a foundation in text and interaction with other believers in serious inquiry is vital (i.e., Sunday school). I think once you have done some real work, if you can depart from certain widely-held beliefs, whatever they may be, in your particular denomination, that is righteous. I think you should know what you're doing, though, and that does not mean willy-nilly on the basis of nothing up and deciding that whatever you feel like is how it should be.

    That is the truth for me. Your truth may be entirely different and whatever it is, I respect it as Holy Spirit instructing you as is appropriate for who you are where you are.
    So how do you tell, exactly? Who's to say who's actually a Christian and who isn't, or which belief alterations are justifiable and which ones aren't?

    And doesn't this cause a few problems with the whole "salvation through faith" thing? If we can't come to an agreement on what sort of faith warrants salvation, how do we know which variant to follow?
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    The bible is rather specific about what kind of faith brings salvation. In fact the bible is full of good examples. No faith warrants salvation. Faith brings salvation.
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    65 to 85% of all Christians scare me.

    100% of all highly religious people scare the living shit out of me.

    Agnostics and atheists, on the other hand, make me feel all fuzzy and warm on the inside.

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