You asked: whats the point of religions if I can come up with morality without them and make myself happy.
The point of religions has nothing to do with making you happy or moral, their purpose is transcendent and one that we can not understand because it is outside of the province of reason.
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Thread: Religion... why?
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04-25-2007, 03:12 PM #31
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04-25-2007, 03:13 PM #32
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04-25-2007, 03:14 PM #33Wyrd is a concept in Anglo-Saxon and Nordic culture roughly corresponding to fate. It is ancestral to Modern English weird, which has acquired a very different meaning.
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04-25-2007, 03:15 PM #34
Heh. Well, that's not Christianity, if that's what you were thinking of.
The goal here is the "Body" and the reintegration of everyone into healthy relationship with each other. It's very much a communal faith, not an isolated one such as you describe.
From a Christian perspective, you can't really grasp God if your ultimate gist is an isolated faith.
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btw, this thread is a hoot -- a spiraling argument of 4+ posters, sort of skipping all over the place."Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"
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04-25-2007, 03:15 PM #35Wyrd is a concept in Anglo-Saxon and Nordic culture roughly corresponding to fate. It is ancestral to Modern English weird, which has acquired a very different meaning.
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04-25-2007, 03:18 PM #36
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04-25-2007, 03:19 PM #37
Here is Kant in a nutshell.
God is infinite and we are finite, we can never understand him because he is too big for our box.
The question of creationism requires knowledge of the other-world, and we are only confined to the knowledge of this world so we can not talk about those things meaningfully.
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04-25-2007, 03:22 PM #38
Very good, then by that definition science can only tell you what is and what can be... a description of how the system works, ways of organization information in a sensical manner. Then based on that description, come up with hypotheses that can hopefully predict what will happen in a given situation. Science works on falsifiability... we test hypotheses over and over again... if we cannot disprove something... that idea ends up as becoming a theory... for example Darwain's theory of evolution. Nowhere in the system can we "prove" something is the truth... all we can say is that evidences cannot disprove the said theory. So we tentatively accept it as a possible truth. Note that if new evidence comes in suggesting evolution is wrong, that theory will go out the window.
Religion on the other hand does not belong in the realm of science. For it's not falsifiable. You either accept it on believe or you don't. Therefore the two are completely separate. On the issue on creationism and evolution... Scientists have a problem with creationism not because they don't care about religion. Rather they don't believe in the values behind creationism. The fundamental justification behind it is mote.
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04-25-2007, 03:24 PM #39
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04-25-2007, 05:17 PM #40
I disagree how can religion be transcendent* when it is fundamentally a human construct created to give us thinking apes some kind of purpose or meaning to life? Beyond our biological function to perpetuate the human species?
transcendent
A adjective
1 transcendent, unknowable
beyond and outside the ordinary range of human experience or understanding; "philosophers...often explicitly reject the notion of any transcendent reality beyond thought...and claim to be concerned only with thought itself..."- W.P.Alston; "the unknowableWyrd is a concept in Anglo-Saxon and Nordic culture roughly corresponding to fate. It is ancestral to Modern English weird, which has acquired a very different meaning.
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