User Tag List

First 91718192021 Last

Results 181 to 190 of 205

  1. #181
    Permabanned
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    20,368

    Default

    Religion is based on sympathetic magic.

    Sympathetic magic is not based on evidence and reason.

    Sympathetic magic is intuitive, and easily understood by children and the illiterate.

    Images are made of sympathetic magic.

  2. #182
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    30,049

    Default

    I think its a good question, the why, I plan to get back to this thread with a better response as to why for me personally.

    I confess that in part Voltaire's ideas make sense, sometimes something is such a great idea that if it did not exist it would be necessary to invent it. I even think that people unconsciously invent or reinvent it, even if they condemn or seemingly discard it. Therefore, better to consider how to adopt it and practice it at its best rather than accidentally stumble into practicing it, or some semblance of it, at its worst.
    Likes Abcdenfp liked this post

  3. #183
    Terpsichore Abcdenfp's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2017
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    7W8
    Posts
    1,672

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanra Jest View Post
    I understand both sides. Religion can empower you for a sense of purpose and fulfillment, or a reassurance that you won't say "burn in hell" for being not "good enough", or indoctrinate you into a life where you lose your own sense of self. But to me it's always been off. While we can't know there's something on the other side I've 'felt' someone there. Something greater than I, and upon researching other similar experiences from others, I concluded it's real. Especially in some nde's where they're brain dead. Does this mean I believe it's God (or a Goddess? because WHY does it have to be a male deity anyway, or any gender for that matter?)? Maybe, or maybe it's just some kind of essence of the universal with an intelligent consciousness or something. I don't claim to understand it and tbh. Putting feelings aside. I don't believe it makes any sense for any religion to be spot on about any diety or purpose in life, and I believe WE have the most value. Work on yourself and be the best you can be. Find a greater purpose that YOU yourself resonate and desire to follow and Be. Only then shall you be free. All this aside though, given my experiences it's fairly personal, but I don't believe religion is key. Those systems are confining and depressing to me, overly traditional. I grew up having to follow it... and it took over a great deal of my psych in a negative way. So I only really believe in spirituality. As I've said before.
    But for so long we believed in gods and goddesses who were just as powerful as the gods. We believed in their direct ties to nature and used them as a connection to all living life and ourselves only this disjointed Christianity that places no joy on this life but the next has stripped the world from that view and removed the feminine from the mystical.
    I believe there is something too but my belief is much more expansive then this Christian rhetoric and I grew up in a super Christian country but I know the truth about nature and our nature is so much more complex then this doctrine

  4. #184
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    30,049

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Abcdenfp View Post
    But for so long we believed in gods and goddesses who were just as powerful as the gods. We believed in their direct ties to nature and used them as a connection to all living life and ourselves only this disjointed Christianity that places no joy on this life but the next has stripped the world from that view and removed the feminine from the mystical.
    I believe there is something too but my belief is much more expansive then this Christian rhetoric and I grew up in a super Christian country but I know the truth about nature and our nature is so much more complex then this doctrine
    This is to underestimate the plural and diverse character of Christianity, even before the numerous schisms and present day factionalism, in the RCC tradition at least there are examples of matriarchal thinking, for a time where was even a "cult" of the holy mother or virgin Mary.

    Plus I dont see why Christianity has to be considered to be "pie in the sky" or "jam tomorrow" anymore than different sorts of utopianism, or "progress", see the present as being something you sacrifice for a "better tomorrow". The idea of a "messianic time" or "apocalypse" or "end of days" is something common to a lot of religions and traditions in the western world. For instance, much of what is in marxism was borrowed from christianity which was borrowed in turn from the Jews etc.

    Which sort of makes my point about the invention-reinvention constantly. Jung wrote about this too when he said that if you reach ancient texts about alchemy or magic you could discern the psychology or psychologists of yester year.

  5. #185
    Terpsichore Abcdenfp's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2017
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    7W8
    Posts
    1,672

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    This is to underestimate the plural and diverse character of Christianity, even before the numerous schisms and present day factionalism, in the RCC tradition at least there are examples of matriarchal thinking, for a time where was even a "cult" of the holy mother or virgin Mary.

    Plus I dont see why Christianity has to be considered to be "pie in the sky" or "jam tomorrow" anymore than different sorts of utopianism, or "progress", see the present as being something you sacrifice for a "better tomorrow". The idea of a "messianic time" or "apocalypse" or "end of days" is something common to a lot of religions and traditions in the western world. For instance, much of what is in marxism was borrowed from christianity which was borrowed in turn from the Jews etc.

    Which sort of makes my point about the invention-reinvention constantly. Jung wrote about this too when he said that if you reach ancient texts about alchemy or magic you could discern the psychology or psychologists of yester year.
    i agree with the invention-reinvention "nothing is new under the sun" concept.

    My point really is that the centralized characters, father/ son/ holy spirit are masculine and Mary is simply viewed as a vessel, of course there would be break off cults looking for a divine feminism "feel" because its missing but its not accepted in mainstream Christianity. Mary is certainly not seen as a goddess or someone to be worshipped but to intercede to the powers that be on their behalf.
    "I have spoken."

  6. #186
    Permabanned
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    20,368

    Default

    We have learnt to distinguish what is true from what is not true by evidence and reason. And when we put any religion to the test of evidence and reason, we find they are not true.

    Nonetheless, religions are immensely powerful, and their power lies in time honoured means of entrancement.

    And when we are entranced by religion, our critical mind goes to sleep, and our imaginative mind wakes up, and we believe whatever we are told.

    The core business of religion is entrancement, particularly the entrancement of children. And the entrancement of children is so powerful, for most of us, it lasts a lifetime. The Jesuits say, "Give me a child by the age of seven, and we have them for life".

    However we can take entrancement into our own hands, and become trance designers. A good place to start is, "The Way of Trance", by Dennis R. Wier, click The Way of Trance( Dennis Wier) - Free Download PDF.

  7. #187
    Permabanned
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    20,368

    Default

    Wada we want? We want to be entranced, and we want it now!

    The drug addict is entranced by their first careless rapture with their narcotic, and they spend the rest of their addiction chasing this first enchantment

    The gambler chases the enchantment of their first big win, and interestingly the gambler will even chase the enchantment of their loses.

    The porn addict chases the dopamine hit with each new porn star.

    We are first enchanted by our parents, so we spend the rest of our lives looking for someone to enchant us.

    We don't realise we can become trance designers ourselves, and create specific trances for specific purposes

    So wada ya want? We want to become an independent trance designer. So click Trance: From Magic to Technology - PDF Free Download. .

  8. #188
    jest a philosopher~ Kanra Jest's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2015
    MBTI
    ENTP
    Enneagram
    4w3 sx/so
    Socionics
    ILE Ne
    Posts
    2,460

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Abcdenfp View Post
    But for so long we believed in gods and goddesses who were just as powerful as the gods. We believed in their direct ties to nature and used them as a connection to all living life and ourselves only this disjointed Christianity that places no joy on this life but the next has stripped the world from that view and removed the feminine from the mystical.
    I believe there is something too but my belief is much more expansive then this Christian rhetoric and I grew up in a super Christian country but I know the truth about nature and our nature is so much more complex then this doctrine
    I've always sympathized with the goddess concept. At some point it got treated with distain and destroyed to be replaced fully and solely by the masculine. Nowadays it's very rare to be truly acknowledged unless under, say, paganism (which often has very negative connotations by masculine religions), because of the masculine religions domination. Even Mary is indeed a vessel, a humanized form that was to give birth to the male god, instead of the goddess of wisdom Sophia for example, or Asherah, the rumored former consort to Yahweh, or El, who was once worshipped alongside. Eve was made of Adam's rib so Adam wasn't alone, and that only Man was made in God's image, leaving Wo-man to be an extension of sorts, for example. The concept seemed to bring more of a balance at one point (when both were equally acknowledged) until something changed. Lots of perceivable and observable symbolism.
    Slytherin
    'Symbolism'
    'Art'
    'Ambition'
    Chaotic Neutral~

    359 "The Tinker"
    469 "The Seeker"
    479 "Genlte Spirit"(ack)

    Whichever
    Likes Abcdenfp liked this post

  9. #189
    Haunted Echoes Red Memories's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    MBTI
    ESFP
    Enneagram
    215 sx/so
    Socionics
    SEE Fi
    Posts
    7,078

    Default

    as a Catholic I feel inclined to speak of my chosen saint which was St. Catherine of Siena, only doctor of the church, who experienced the stigmata and a mystical marriage.

    Women are involved with God.


    After all,
    How can you run from what is inside of you?
    Likes Kanra Jest liked this post

  10. #190
    Haunted Echoes Red Memories's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    MBTI
    ESFP
    Enneagram
    215 sx/so
    Socionics
    SEE Fi
    Posts
    7,078

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by wyrdsister View Post
    In our age of scientific discovery I would like to pose the question...

    Why is religion still relevant in out time?

    Obviously in past centuries it was a form of mind control and personality cults. Myths and legends to explain our Earth and the Universe and why we were here and to be good people or we shall rot in hell or be reborn as amoebas... but now in the year 2007, why is religion still relevant?
    Science does not give you the meaning of life or sense of purpose. As also, Science cannot completely explain our earth and universe either. There are scientific facts and then there are theories, theories of evolution, of creation. To follow any requires a certain extent of faith, as none of the options can properly be explained merely by science alone. There are many things we can entrust to science and rely on science for.

    I think science and religion can most certainly coexist together and should, because God would not intend for scientific knowledge and discovery to go unused. Nevertheless, having faith can also instill a stronger boundary upon not misusing science, if blended correctly.

    The problem with faith today is as many will with science, they attempt to conform the facts and theories to fit what they want rather than what is true. So today we have a lot of false religious people. Because faith transforms you, not you transform God.


    After all,
    How can you run from what is inside of you?

Similar Threads

  1. Why do religions hate gays so darn much?
    By Kasper in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 258
    Last Post: 03-15-2020, 06:01 PM
  2. What Religion Do You Practice/Not Practice and Why?
    By Evastover in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 589
    Last Post: 06-04-2016, 03:24 AM
  3. so why don't you have religion?
    By miss fortune in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 122
    Last Post: 12-11-2011, 07:21 PM
  4. [NT] NTs why did you embrace religion?
    By SolitaryWalker in forum The NT Rationale (ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ)
    Replies: 125
    Last Post: 02-19-2009, 03:56 PM
  5. Why?
    By SolitaryWalker in forum Welcomes and Introductions
    Replies: 29
    Last Post: 04-24-2007, 06:55 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO