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    Because science doesn't give the same reassurances that many people still crave so much.

    Science doesn't tell a grieving father that his little girl is still alive but in spirit and waiting for him to join her in some happy paradise. Science doesn't tell someone dying, that they shouldn't be scared, there is still something more and this isn't the end.

    In science you are simply dead, and not everyone can be comfortable with that knowledge.

    I mean I don't believe in religion, and life after death, but I wish I still did, it was a very comforting blanket when I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    If religion is a way of seeing, what do we see when we look through Christianity
    I think people see outside "help".. an interventionist God. Some control in their lives, and in the Universe as a whole.

    or Buddhism
    People probably see self-reliance and accepting life as it is. More so in Theravada Buddhism probably. Some forms of Mahayana have a slightly different view on "interventionist" entities.

    Of course, they all play out in more than just these ways.. But at their core, you've got two different ways of seeing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyrdsister View Post
    Obviously in past centuries it was a form of mind control and personality cults.
    No, no it wasnt.

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    Thumbs down The Ancient and the Modern

    Canberra was designed from the God's eye view.

    The design of Canberra only makes sense when viewed from the clouds. In fact the model of Canberra you will see when you first arrive, shows you the city from ten thousand feet. So you need the wings of an angel, or a God's eye view, to make sense of Canberra.

    So if religion is a way of seeing, religion gave us a way to see Canberra.

    And in fact the designers of Canberra, Walter Burley Griffin and his wife Marion, were theosophers, as were a number of our members of Parliament of the time.

    The design of ancient cities is entirely religious, as indeed were even the hearths of their homes. And the design of this newest of new cities is religious as well, uniting the ancient with the modern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BerberElla View Post
    Because science doesn't give the same reassurances that many people still crave so much.

    Science doesn't tell a grieving father that his little girl is still alive but in spirit and waiting for him to join her in some happy paradise. Science doesn't tell someone dying, that they shouldn't be scared, there is still something more and this isn't the end.

    In science you are simply dead, and not everyone can be comfortable with that knowledge.

    I mean I don't believe in religion, and life after death, but I wish I still did, it was a very comforting blanket when I did.
    Well, there's always at least two way to look at things. Nothingness after death is what gives life meaning, if you ask me. It what gives it weight. It's what makes it beautiful and adventurous. How boring would life be, if it were only a something to be repeated over and over again (reincarnation) or merely the preparation for the real thing (afterlife).

    If a grieving father wasn't afraid to lose his girl, then his care and love for her wouldn't be as strong in life.

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    Becauuse most people can not govern themselves, and so they need an external guide to exist to provide rules that must be followed. There is also a need for hope, but most people can not pull hope from within themselves. They need a mecca a place, a governing force, it is to daunting to see themselves as the creator of their own way.

    Recently i have really been drawn to the concept of the ubermensch, this is closer to my thoughts that Nature is divine, being alive is a miracle and every moment a gift, my truths I discover through knowing myself and knowing nature.

    "Much of Nietzsche's thinking is tied to the decline of religious belief that Nietzsche describes as the death of God. Nietzsche views religion as a rejection of life such that life is viewed as a terrible struggle with true rewards such as peace only being achieved in the afterlife. Nietzsche is concerned with what will fill this large void in values and purpose that religion once filled. The ubermensch is proposed by Nietzsche as a way to find a new moral path that celebrates life as opposed to rejecting it. An ubermensch embraces life's hardships and pleasures alike and accepts hard truths without complaint.

    "Nietzsche fears that with the decline of religion, man is once again becoming animal with a way of life he refers to as the Last Man. The last man is the antithesis of the ubermensch. He seeks only comfort, consumption, security and risk minimization. The last man is deeply dissatisfied with life and is intensely jealous of the freedom, bravery and moral purpose of the ubermensch. He seeks to defeat the ubermensch in the name of equality by breaking down any distinction between the strong and weak or superior over the mediocre. A society of last men seek harmony, earn a living, keep warm and punish risk taking as an affront to equalness and safety."
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    I understand both sides. Religion can empower you for a sense of purpose and fulfillment, or a reassurance that you won't say "burn in hell" for being not "good enough", or indoctrinate you into a life where you lose your own sense of self. But to me it's always been off.

    While we can't know there's something on the other side I've 'felt' someone there. Something greater than I, and upon researching other similar experiences from others, I concluded it's real. Especially in some nde's where they're brain dead. Does this mean I believe it's God (or a Goddess? because WHY does it have to be a male deity anyway, or any gender for that matter?)? Maybe, or maybe it's just some kind of essence of the universal with an intelligent consciousness or something. I don't claim to understand it and tbh. Putting feelings aside. I don't believe it makes any sense for any religion to be spot on about any diety or purpose in life, and I believe WE have the most value. Work on yourself and be the best you can be. Find a greater purpose that YOU yourself resonate and desire to follow and Be. Only then shall you be free. All this aside though, given my experiences it's fairly personal, but I don't believe religion is key. Those systems are confining and depressing to me, overly traditional. I grew up having to follow it... and it took over a great deal of my psych in a negative way. So I only really believe in spirituality. As I've said before.
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    I think it helps people form communities of shared assumptions, values, and perceptions. I don't like the social dynamics in organized religion so avoid it. I don't like people telling me "god's will" when it's just what they want. It makes for big fluffy egos.
    I wish I was on yonder hill 'tis there I'd sit and cry my fill, And every tear would turn a mill, Iss guh day thoo avorneen slawn.
    I'll sell my rock, I'll sell my reel, I'll sell my only spinning wheel, To buy my love a sword of steel Iss guh day thoo avorneen slawn.
    I wish, I wish, I wish in vain, I wish I had my heart again, And vainly think I'd not complain, Iss guh day thoo avorneen slawn.

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    Until the "Origin of Species" religion made intuitive sense. Just as astrology and Mbti make intuitive sense.

    However almost all of science is counter intuitive, along with modern economics, liberal democracy, and literacy.

    And the more educated we are, the more we can think counter intuitively.

    However although print is counter intuitive, images on the net are intuitive.

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