Obscenity

[Not_Me]

Guns don't kill kittens.....

 

[Edgar]

Do I have to point it out?

I am opposed to all obscenity on Typology Central.

I completely support your suspension.

I do not share your obscene point of view.

You know, it just dawned on me. The only time I saw you support a cause is when it was "anti-something".

Must be fun being you.

 

[Edgar]

People on here actually said that to you? Yikes. Maybe I'm in the wrong place.

There is a good number of interesting people here as well as knee jerk retards.

You just have to sort through the crap to get to the good stuff. Use the ignore function, it helps. Why I just made an addition to my list based on this thread alone.

 

[Mole]

Victor's points are logically valid, but the problem is that he is the "cultural minority" here and will therefore not be taken seriously. Majority rules, sadly. The way to get around this is to influence others to join your position, which he is trying to do here.

This is completely true.

I can only add that I have been in a cultural minority all my life.

The way I have dealt with this is to avoid the cultural majority.

But here I am brought face to face with the cultural majority. And they are just as I remember them.

In the past they have succesfully intimidated me into silence. And it is no accident that powerful people here have suggested I be silent.

Unfortunately for them, this is a tolerant and well run site and my voice is being heard.

And that's the problem the cultural majority have - they don't like the sound of my voice.

And the sound of my voice is distinctive - I have my own voice and my own style.

This is naturally offensive to the cultural majority who don't have their own voice or own style. In fact they all seem to speak with the same voice and in the same style.

So I think it will be very interesting to see how this conversation between the cultural majority and the cultural minority, plays out.

The worst that can happen is that one side or the other gets silenced. And the best is that every voice is heard.

 

[professor goodstain]

This is completely true.

I can only add that I have been in a cultural minority all my life.

The way I have dealt with this is to avoid the cultural majority.

But here I am brought face to face with the cultural majority. And they are just as I remember them.

In the past they have succesfully intimidated me into silence. And it is no accident that powerful people here have suggested I be silent.

Unfortunately for them, this is a tolerant and well run site and my voice is being heard.

And that's the problem the cultural majority have - they don't like the sound of my voice.

And the sound of my voice is distinctive - I have my own voice and my own style.

This is naturally offensive to the cultural majority who don't have their own voice or own style. In fact they all seem to speak with the same voice and in the same style.

So I think it will be very interesting to see how this conversation between the cultural majority and the cultural minority, plays out.

The worst that can happen is that one side or the other gets silenced. And the best is that every voice is heard.

Hi Victor. Do they have a form of the fairness doctrine in Australia?

 

[heart]

This is completely true.

I can only add that I have been in a cultural minority all my life.

The way I have dealt with this is to avoid the cultural majority.

I thought I understood you before to say that Australia's culture closely supported your own cultural beliefs?

 

[Kangirl]

I can only add that I have been in a cultural minority all my life.

Really? Your beliefs seem entirely mainstream for an Australian. You collectively voted for Rudd, no? He certainly doesn't strike me as a gun-totin' cowboy (not that there's anything wrong with being a gun-totin' cowboy ).

Also, I wouldn't take this forum as some kind of coherent statement on any one culture - there are people here from many different cultures, and I would say that there seems to be a bit of a right-wing/libertarian leaning in general, which doesn't necessarily translate to any one real world culture. Some of the biggest bleeding hearts I know hail from the US.

And remember Victor - just because someone disagrees with you doesn't automatically make them a retarded asshole. You have the option of engaging - that you rarely take it doesn't reflect anything on those who try (to engage you).

 

[heart]

I don't think gun rights advocates or those who are opposed to gun rights are either one in a cultural minority in the USA. Seems to be an equally divided issue. But that's just my impression.

It would be interesting to see statistics because I know just as many people set against guns as are pro-guns.

 

[01011010]

Guns don't kill kittens.....

Yes, they do. Let me show you.

 

[Mole]

Really? Your beliefs seem entirely mainstream for an Australian.

Bless you, Kangirl.

Although I present myself as a raging radical, at the bottom of my heart, I want to be mainstream.

I should love to live on Main Street, and I do. I live in an expensive and chic suburb at the very centre of our Capital City.

I occasionally catch glimpses of the Prime Minister as he dines and deals his way through the day. And yes, Kevin Rudd PM is the very picture of a modern bureaucrat, but even he hankers for the radical edge, and the economic crisis has provided him with his opportunity.

Indeed to address the crisis he published a 7,000 word manifesto.

In which, as a man of the people, he belabours his ideological enemies.

He thought he was going to preside over a boring economy that has boomed for the last 18 years leaving his government with no debt whatsoever.

But lady luck intervened and now he is borrowing billions and billions of dollars and distributing it to his people - all with the blessing of the economists.

So our Kev is having his cake and eating it too.

Could I want anything less?

Can you blame me for having one foot in the mainstream and the other on the fringe?

I do love to dance between them.

The only thing that could make me happier, would be for you to dance with me.

 

[mysterio]

There is a good number of interesting people here as well as knee jerk retards.

You just have to sort through the crap to get to the good stuff. Use the ignore function, it helps. Why I just made an addition to my list based on this thread alone.

It’s insane that you were suspended for that - I’ve seen posts on here more “pornographic” than that. But I guess it’s not that surprising on a site where you get tarred for criticizing Rush Limbaugh.

Don’t worry I have to at least stick around to get my 100 posts to become a senior member and enjoy all the perks that go with it – which I’ve been told includes use of their private jet.

 

[matmos]

Really? Your beliefs seem entirely mainstream for an Australian.

Funnily enough, I house-shared with a bunch of Aussies, back in the 80s in West London. Apart from the drinking and fighting, they never actually swore much - by British standards anyway. When they did it was almost like ventriloquist with an invisible dummy - a teeth whisper down the shirt - and all the more effective for it.

One of the guys used to put cigarettes out with his bare feet ("pain, y'see - it's all in the mind"); the fridge had an enormous stash of Tuoys & VB, with the occassional Steinlager for Kiwi visitors. Open house.

Excellent ambassadors, one and all.

But one thing I did notice - the general dislike of the "pommy wanker" (trans: egocentric, self-serving but vacuous, locals). I suppose by definition this extended to all those that pretend to be what they are not, while paradoxically undergoing a personal transformation that involved a certain amount of acting.

All the best.

 

[MacGuffin]

It’s insane that you were suspended for that - I’ve seen posts on here more “pornographic” than that. But I guess it’s not that surprising on a site where you get tarred for criticizing Rush Limbaugh.

It wasn't about "pornography", but nice try.

 

[Kangirl]

Did I just get called a pommy wanker?

I do have a UK passport, so maybe I am.

 

[antireconciler]

Whether a gun is held at your head or a phallus - the result is the same.

Both are obscene.

Victor, this is a curious statement. Would you be willing to explain the connection you have found between the two to me? You've said before that guns are designed for killing, and if this is so, then perhaps there is something to your connection and we can consider it done.

... So it remains a matter of this: what is it about guns that you believe is designed to kill people other than that, along with a variety of other objects, they can and are used this way? For example, would you make the statement above about a baseball bat? Perhaps not, but perhaps so, and if you feel the intuitive tug in both directions, then may I suggest the following resolution to the dilemma?:

A baseball bat by itself is not a killing object, but this function can be pushed onto it, say, projected onto it. That is, the bat is not the killer, but our way of seeing it, should we see it as an object used to destroy, is. Would you agree?

If so, it seems plausible the same may be said for a gun, which is a mere functionless mechanical assembly by itself, but is given purpose by the person using it according to their purposes.

Now, there is an objection as follows, that a baseball bat is made for playing baseball, while a gun is made for killing. But, either object may be used for killing, or used for other purposes altogether. A gun may be used validly for sport, just as a javelin or a bow may be, even though both have used as a weapons. How then could the distinction about what they are made for hold? How could it matter? Presumably, all these objects are made just to make money because they have market demand in peoples lives according to the purposes they give them.

Now, an extension of the argument above is valid too for pornography. A picture of a nude woman is by no means obscene. How could a human body be obscene? How, even, could human copulation be obscene? But it can be MADE obscene because obscenity can be projected onto it, because it is seen a certain way. Pornography has nothing to do with content, and everything to do with perception.

Do you understand the implication?

If you see sin in the world, the sin is in your seeing, thus, change your seeing. It is a very fortunate world we live in that so little is required to eradicate sin! Namely this, it is gone the second you stop insisting it is there.

 

[Mole]

Victor, this is a curious statement.

Yes, Antireconciler, it is a curious statement.

After all, as you say, a gun is made for killing while a phallus gives life.

It would seem to be a far reach to compare the two - in fact, a bridge too far.

But consider, they are opposites - they draw attention to one another.

A good play for instance contains opposites such as life and death - Shakespearean plays are littered with bodies, yet they are about life.

And at a deeper level, we perceive by making distinctions, and the distinction between life and death catches our attention.

So I make the distinction between the gun and the phallus to catch your attention. And look how well it worked - you are paying me attention now - thank you.

And at a formal level it is a metaphor. And a metaphor, you remember, is a comparison of relationships. So a metaphor is not a literal description - as you can see: a phallus is not a gun.

But a gun has a certain relationship to a person; and a phallus has a certain relationship to a person; and I am comparing the relationships.

Of course a metaphor has multiple meanings, so I am also comparing a gun to life and death, and interestingly, a phallus to life and death. And in this metaphor you may find other meanings as well.

But then, as is my wont, I collapse all these meanings into one and say, "They are both obscene".

Of course this is not a logical argument, it is meant to open your mind to multiple possibilities, then to collapse it down to one possibility, that, "both are obscene".

And this is the title of the thread, so we are back where we started - and still, thank God, on topic after a little meander through the garden of metaphor.

 

[antireconciler]

Thank you for your kind response.

 

[Mole]

Thank you for your kind response.

You sound nonplussed.

 

[mysterio]

It wasn't about "pornography", but nice try.

I’m not sure what you mean by “nice try.” If Edgar made that up- that he got suspended for posting Lindsey Lohan with I CAME underneath - you should have already called him on it instead of me. Since you didn’t, I assume it was true.

I haven’t been here that long and even I can see that this board’s as cliquey as a junior high lunchroom. I wonder if everyone on here would get suspended for something like that.

 

[simulatedworld]

The worst that can happen is that one side or the other gets silenced. And the best is that every voice is heard.

Except for the voices you consider to be obscene...right. Freedom of speech is great until the speech is something that offends you personally. Got it.