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    Default Which is liable to be the more corrupting and why?

    Of Invisibility and Immortality which would be liable to be the most corrupting and why? Presume by immortality is also meant eternal youth and vitality as opposed to an unnatural longevity or aging process.

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    Why do they need to be corrupting at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cat View Post
    Why do they need to be corrupting at all?
    Well, that is of course a legit response to the question posed, although most philosophers have considered that either would be corrupting, either instantly (usually invisibility) or eventually (usually immortality) but not many have seen them as source of virtue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Well, that is of course a legit response to the question posed, although most philosophers have considered that either would be corrupting, either instantly (usually invisibility) or eventually (usually immortality) but not many have seen them as source of virtue.
    I suspect many look for any excuse for any gift to be potentially corrupting I often suspect this is more indicative of something on them than the rest of us, however there's also a reason horror movies resonate with us so I could be digressing 🤔 Most of the ways I think of having invisibility or immortality typically puts me in the position of a naturalist capturing the rarest glimpses of nature man has ever witnessed. Or in the case of immortality keeping a chronicle of humanity through my existence preserving knowedge and teaching it to future generations when it is time. 🤔
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    How is corruption defined here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexcoder View Post
    How is corruption defined here...
    Good question 🧐
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexcoder View Post
    How is corruption defined here...
    Evil, the opposite of the good, as understood generally by most peoples practical reasoning and if you need further clarification then the Kantian harm principle and categorical imperative will do.
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    I would offer an answer, but I don't do well with generalizations. I prefer to deal with specific scenarios / a case by case basis, some example I can sort out by analyzing the detailed information within it. Otherwise, you're just going to get my usual "It depends / it's relative" response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cat View Post
    I suspect many look for any excuse for any gift to be potentially corrupting I often suspect this is more indicative of something on them than the rest of us, however there's also a reason horror movies resonate with us so I could be digressing 🤔 Most of the ways I think of having invisibility or immortality typically puts me in the position of a naturalist capturing the rarest glimpses of nature man has ever witnessed. Or in the case of immortality keeping a chronicle of humanity through my existence preserving knowedge and teaching it to future generations when it is time. 🤔
    I think the corruption hypothesized in both is to do with avoiding/evading accountability on the one hand and on the other becoming distant/estranged from others.

    In the case of invisibility Plato posited that being unseen resulted in being unaccountable, that is to say that the ultimate or final check on wickedness is the sanction and censure of neighbours, family, the public, others of all descriptions.

    This idea has been a feature of every story of invisibility from Plato's time right through to HG Wells and all those hollywood movies. To some extent the "I see you" version of sanction/censure has lasted longer than any myth about invisibility, the panopticon, surveillance, early prison reformers all believed that visibility, provided it was constant enough, would reform character and stop crime or deviance from lawful norms.

    Immortality, kind of, operates on the same principle, when everyone becomes a "creature of a season" while you live long enough to watch them come and go then, as the Highlander movies and Queen song puts it "Love Must Die", or as the philosophers or psychologists would have "love" the capacity to "relate", any "attachment" or "social instincts and drives".

    The immortal is not corrupted as they are unseen or unnoticed and no subject to the sanction or censure of others but simply outlive it and care less about it consequently. They have less of a shared experience with others arising from fearing or expecting death as inevitable.

    In the final instance the lack of accountability and estrangement from others will contribute to viewing others as objects, means to ends, not ends in themselves and without intrinsic value (granted this is Kantian ethics rather than practical reason or virtue ethics, ie the only intrinsically happy/satisfying life is the virtuous one).

    I do see how either invisibility or immortality should permit individual or social/utilitarian good, the longevitiy allows that chronicling role, you could also accumulate commanding stakes in the economy, finance etc., presumably, its a question as to whether or not this could be a sustainable arrangement or if it would fall prey to the corruption I outlined there. It could be a question of time scales. I'm not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexcoder View Post
    I would offer an answer, but I don't do well with generalizations. I prefer to deal with specific scenarios / a case by case basis, some example I can sort out by analyzing the detailed information within it. Otherwise, you're just going to get my usual "It depends / it's relative" response.


    What about universalizations rather than generalizations?

    I accept its hard to generalize from experience sometimes, or at least for the purposes of abstract discussion it can be as most people do generalize from their own experience all the time, its a central aspect of social learning theory and part of why people can freeze in crisis situations as the mind is trying to recall or match memories to visual information, ie wing of the plane is on fire, which there may be no memory to serve as reference point for.

    Anyway, there are surely universal realities, with little presumption and all things being equal. If there were not medicine and medical prescribing would be impossible.

    While there will be exceptions to any rule, they are exceptions, sometimes the exception that proves the rule but it is still possible to decide or infer a rule in the first place surely?

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