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    Quote Originally Posted by anticlimatic View Post
    Definitely. I'm a believer.

    How capitalism saved generations from crippling poverty

    Unlike all these idiotic socialist Bernie supporting moron dipshit loser bitches who piss the bed every night and shit their pants every time they sneeze because of how extra stupid and evil they are....

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    My post in this thread didn't attack people that believe in capitalism, such as yourself. Stick to what I wrote, not your own sensitivity.

    I am curious what you would do with a capitalist, gun owner that's also a huge Bernie supporter, other than claim they don't exist.
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    I don't consider capitalism or any of these other political or economic -isms to be religions, as they don't profess any belief in a deity or supernatural entity. They are at most philosophies or world views.
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    Doesn't the Right in politics have a few mass demographics - first the Wall Street corporate types, and the military hawks, but that wasn't enough to win national votes, so they slapped some morality onto it to scoop up the Bible Belt people who think it's part of their religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravenetta View Post
    Doesn't the Right in politics have a few mass demographics - first the Wall Street corporate types, and the military hawks, but that wasn't enough to win national votes, so they slapped some morality onto it to scoop up the Bible Belt people who think it's part of their religion.
    Yes, the so-called "religious Right" is a significant part of those who align with the Republican party politically, but that doesn't make the political perspective itself a religious one. There is also a significant "religious left", to use parallel terminology. These are the people who are motivated by Jesus' message of inclusion and caring for others to favor political action that provides a generous safety net for the disadvantaged, and protects minority rights/opportunities. These folks have so far not used religious justifications to support their political positions nearly as effectively as those on the right have, though the arguments are just as compelling, perhaps moreso.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thestralis View Post
    Yes, the so-called "religious Right" is a significant part of those who align with the Republican party politically, but that doesn't make the political perspective itself a religious one. There is also a significant "religious left", to use parallel terminology. These are the people who are motivated by Jesus' message of inclusion and caring for others to favor political action that provides a generous safety net for the disadvantaged, and protects minority rights/opportunities. These folks have so far not used religious justifications to support their political positions nearly as effectively as those on the right have, though the arguments are just as compelling, perhaps moreso.
    For sure. Think Jimmy Carter, progressive evangelicalism or liberal evangelicals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thestralis View Post
    I don't consider capitalism or any of these other political or economic -isms to be religions, as they don't profess any belief in a deity or supernatural entity. They are at most philosophies or world views.
    I can see what you mean here but not all religions are monotheistic, some have multiple Gods, some have none at all, while most profess belief in mysteries, which could be supernatural in character (even Taoism and Sikhism believe in possibly "magical" deeds by key figures).

    However, capitalism involves some beliefs which in their popular format resemble this kind of believing behaviour, like trickle down economics or the invisible hand of the market which is supposed to perform simultaneous equations without a computer AI and produce prices which reflect are resource allocatively efficient, equitable and the cornerstone of spontaneous order.

    I think that perhaps it could be more accurate to talk of them as both possessing similar features, including myths, definitions of virtuous behaviour etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    For sure. Think Jimmy Carter, progressive evangelicalism or liberal evangelicals.
    I'd be skeptical of such things.

    Outside of liberation theology I'm not sure if there is such a thing as a progressive Christianity in the modern world and LT is largely extinct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I'd be skeptical of such things.

    Outside of liberation theology I'm not sure if there is such a thing as a progressive Christianity in the modern world and LT is largely extinct.
    Just because right wing politics fused with Christian fundamentalists doesn't mean liberal evangelicals are extinct. Last I checked, President Carter was still with us, so there is at least one of them. I met him at a Habitat for Humanity event about 6 years ago, my husband got an award from them. The man walks the walk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    Just because right wing politics fused with Christian fundamentalists doesn't mean liberal evangelicals are extinct. Last I checked, President Carter was still with us, so there is at least one of them. I met him at a Habitat for Humanity event about 6 years ago, my husband got an award from them. The man walks the walk.
    Yeah, I read about him and I think he's kind of an anomaly, I like the guy.

    I didnt like the extent to which his being an evangelical seemed to swing the election for him.

    Besides Kennedy where there ever any RCs in the presidency?

    I just think that liberalism has put A LOT of clear water between itself and religion these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Yeah, I read about him and I think he's kind of an anomaly, I like the guy.

    I didnt like the extent to which his being an evangelical seemed to swing the election for him.

    Besides Kennedy where there ever any RCs in the presidency?

    I just think that liberalism has put A LOT of clear water between itself and religion these days.
    There haven't been any Jewish presidents either. Yet. But with the changes Francis is considering, that might win back some center right libs.
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