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    Quote Originally Posted by asynartetic View Post
    I always got that impression, when visiting DC, that places like the Lincoln Memorial and Jefferson Memorial almost felt like temples to American demigods. We're not all that unlike the pre-Christian romans, who would proclaim emperors to be divine.
    I'm quite sure Trump agrees with the divinity his hardcore supporters claim on his behalf.

    But yes I think in DC it's all about making Washington or Jefferson immortal (although it never felt that way at Mt. Vernon or Monticello to me). Maybe it explains the fascination with British monarchy too - we don't have one so we embrace it with the usual American voyeurism.
    I like to rock n' roll all night and *part* of every day. I usually have errands... I can only rock from like 1-3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    I'm quite sure Trump agrees with the divinity his hardcore supporters claim on his behalf.

    But yes I think in DC it's all about making Washington or Jefferson immortal (although it never felt that way at Mt. Vernon or Monticello to me). Maybe it explains the fascination with British monarchy too - we don't have one so we embrace it with the usual American voyeurism.
    For whatever it's worth, my impression of visiting Mt Rushmore is that it is far more about Gutzon Borglum (the artist) than the presidents. And Jefferson's ice cream recipe, which is served there. Of course, that may just be what I paid attention to... that and hoping to see mountain goats...
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    Mt Rushmore makes me angry.
    I am The Cat; who walks by himself, and all places are alike to me...
    The Cat is a fey, mercurial thing, given to fits of pique, moody silences, and eerie displays.
    I'm gonna get ready...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luminous View Post
    For whatever it's worth, my impression of visiting Mt Rushmore is that it is far more about Gutzon Borglum (the artist) than the presidents. And Jefferson's ice cream recipe, which is served there. Of course, that may just be what I paid attention to... that and hoping to see mountain goats...
    I visited as a teen but I'm fine never returning. It may have more to do with my feelings on the location. Or that Borglum was a a KKK member with Nordic moral superiority and deep hatred for immigrants and so few seem to be aware of that.
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    Mainstream Conservatism isn't really conserving anything. Keep watch over your hearts and minds, ladies and gents. The lion is prowling, stalking, and devouring those whom are careless.

    You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; - 2 Peter 3:17

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cat View Post
    Mt Rushmore makes me angry.
    Yeah, didn't they carve up sacred native land or something fucked up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by asynartetic View Post
    Yeah, didn't they carve up sacred native land or something fucked up?
    Yes and the SCOTUS ruled it was illegally taken from them, maybe in the 80's.
    I like to rock n' roll all night and *part* of every day. I usually have errands... I can only rock from like 1-3.
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    I fully support the Lakota Independence Movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asynartetic View Post
    I fully support the Lakota Independence Movement.
    "Survival of the Fittest"

    Wise words from Chingachgook:


    "Native American Agency" - 4:35


    Sidenote: Wes Studi had a permanent mohawk in the early 90s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin of Flavia Neapolis View Post
    "Survival of the Fittest"

    Wise words from Chingachgook:


    "Native American Agency" - 4:35
    I see that attitude taken a lot towards native peoples.

    I mean, the same attitude might be taken toward past Christian nations that have been overrun by Islamic invaders.


    The Lakota people have every right to preserve what little remains of their people and culture.

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