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    Default St. John Chrysostom: On Marriage

    Being as engaged/betrothed, a study of the classics on this particular Sacrament/Mystery of Marriage comes to that of St John Chrysostom's writings on the subject. Even as though a particular couple may be secular, I propose that perhaps they can find some value in his writings with tried and true results. With the divorce rate consuming up to half of total marriages in the USA, perhaps looking to the classics may revitalize this institution?

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    Yes, I quite like that mindset about marriage. I think it can be applied to/followed by atheists and secularists. Most of the failed marriages I've seen, whether between religious or agnostic/atheist people have been built on very shaky premises, and also they're often built upon presumptions that relationships will not grow or need continual work after the vows, as if the marriage ceremony is a magic fix-all that will lead to a happily ever after ending.
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    I only intend to get married once. Of course, everyone probably says that.
    A path is made by walking on it.

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    Taking advice on marriage from a priest is like taking advice on car mechanics from someone who has never seen or touched an automobile. Priests are celibate. They don't have one iota of personal experience to call on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polaris View Post
    Taking advice on marriage from a priest is like taking advice on car mechanics from someone who has never seen or touched an automobile. Priests are celibate. They don't have one iota of personal experience to call on.
    In Orthodoxy, there are married priests. Priestly celibacy is only required by Roman Catholic Church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julius_Van_Der_Beak View Post
    I only intend to get married once. Of course, everyone probably says that.
    I hope you find a lovely bride who you can share in a joyful life with. 😊
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin of Flavia Neapolis
    In Orthodoxy, there are married priests. Priestly celibacy is only required by Roman Catholic Church.
    That may be true, but was St. John of Chrysostom ever married? No, he wasn't, unless he married in secret. He may well have done so, considering the types of things many priests have been known to do in secret. Note that I'm sympathetic toward many aspects of Christianity, but its penchant for placing the least qualified people in positions of authority over certain matters such as marriage is not one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polaris View Post
    That may be true, but was St. John of Chrysostom ever married? No, he wasn't, unless he married in secret. He may well have done so, considering the types of things many priests have been known to do in secret. Note that I'm sympathetic toward many aspects of Christianity, but its penchant for placing the least qualified people in positions of authority over certain matters such as marriage is not one of them.
    Oh ok. So, you were talking specifically about St. John Chrysostom. You said “Priests” and “they” so I thought you meant priests in general.

    You do realize that your logic has faults in it in that the same could be said about anyone speaking on any matters outside of their vocation. Even you and I. So, where would you draw the line? If you’re not a psychologist, are you unable to glean insights on what constitutes “Typology (assuming it’s a legitimate science in the first place)?” What if you’re not a psychologist, but most of your friends are psychologists? Would you not learn from them what constitutes “typology” almost as if by osmosis?

    The saying: “You are the five people closest to you” comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julius_Van_Der_Beak View Post
    I only intend to get married once. Of course, everyone probably says that.
    Once at a time. Then technically you’ll still be keeping to your intentions
    No matter where you go, there you are....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin of Flavia Neapolis
    You do realize that your logic has faults in it in that the same could be said about anyone speaking on any matters outside of their vocation. Even you and I. So, where would you draw the line? If you’re not a psychologist, are you unable to glean insights on what constitutes “Typology (assuming it’s a legitimate science in the first place)?”
    I didn't say anything about vocation. I said personal experience.
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