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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    You were not told either of these things. People simply expressed different perspectives on the question, which is their prerogative, and is actually encouraged. If you are looking for persecution, you will need to look elsewhere.
    I don't think he was being implored to deny the Lord, but Sarcophagus basically said: don't mention it, don't speak from that perspective. The actual phrasing was along the lines of there being other ways to go about things, but that's the implication.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    You were not told either of these things. People simply expressed different perspectives on the question, which is their prerogative, and is actually encouraged. If you are looking for persecution, you will need to look elsewhere.
    Someone wanted me to put aside my Christian identity to discuss the topic:

    You heavily put an emphasis on your religiosity as your core identity while neglecting that you can address such subjects efficiently without incorporating any affiliations.
    The problem with most of your subjects is that you tackle issues and thoughts as a Christian and present them to a heterogeneous audience.
    I declined noting that discussion from a Christian perspective is appropriate given the section were in.

    Most of my thread topics/posts are from a Christian perspective. That much is certain given my post history. There’s no persecution here, but I enjoy you gracing us with your presence to moderate this touchy subject since it even brought out the Devil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    I don't think he was being implored to deny the Lord, but Sarcophagus basically said: don't mention it, don't speak from that perspective. The actual phrasing was along the lines of there being other ways to go about things, but that's the implication.
    That is your inference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Justin of Flavia Neapolis View Post
    Someone wanted me to put aside my Christian identity to discuss the topic:

    I declined noting that discussion from a Christian perspective is appropriate given the section were in.

    Most of my thread topics/posts are from a Christian perspective. That much is certain given my post history. There’s no persecution here, but I enjoy you gracing us with your presence to moderate this touchy subject since it even brought out the Devil.
    Someone wanted to point out that the Christian perspective is not the only way to approach the issue. Being expected "to deny your Lord" would be tantamount to persecution, and that was your original objection.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    That is your inference.
    You're acting like inference is an invalid way to go about things, but I guess that's just my inference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Consilience View Post
    Well, the source material that is the basis of the OP's argument is strongly Christian slanted so the argument is quite predictable and to steer it towards secular causes would be a fruitless endeavor.
    That doesn't diminish from the fact that those concerns are a worldly issue regardless of the source material. I can however see exactly why you would call that a fruitless endeavor and I'm sighing at that. Nevertheless, there's no harm in educating or simply sharing insight to make the dialogue a productive experience, and of course, in the end everyone does what he deems a best fit.




    Quote Originally Posted by Justin of Flavia Neapolis View Post
    I appreciate your concern, but I don't think I will deny my Lord in front of men least of all on TypoC where no harm can come to me for doing so.

    I do not deny God when I'm contributing in solving the issues of men while speaking their tongue. That is the very core of godly religions, to help mankind progress, and not to inflate God's ego. He doesn't need that. He doesn't need you nor want you to scream "I am a Christian. I am a Christian." at every opportunity.

    You should probably examine the motivations behind your faith. You have clearly an identity problem.


    An excessive attachment to religion is pure and simple fanaticism.
    You're not immune to criticism because you identify as a Christian.

    If you believe in God, you should know that God shall exist regardless of what we think. No one can deny you your right to embrace God, even if we wanted to. Spare us your drama now.


    The subject is interesting and touches a very sensitive concern that many can relate to in their own way of being and expression.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrophagus View Post
    That doesn't diminish from the fact that those concerns are a worldly issue regardless of the source material. I can however see exactly why you would call that a fruitless endeavor and I'm sighing at that. Nevertheless, there's no harm in educating or simply sharing insight to make the dialogue a productive experience, and of course, in the end everyone does what he deems a best fit.







    I do not deny God when I'm contributing in solving the issues of men while speaking their tongue. That is the very core of godly religions, to help mankind progress, and not to inflate God's ego. He doesn't need that. He doesn't need you nor want you to scream "I am a Christian. I am a Christian." at every opportunity.

    You should probably examine the motivations behind your faith. You have clearly an identity problem.


    An excessive attachment to religion is pure and simple fanaticism.
    You're not immune to criticism because you identify as a Christian.

    If you believe in God, you should know that God shall exist regardless of what we think. No one can deny you your right to embrace God, even if we wanted to. Spare us your drama now.


    The subject is interesting and touches a very sensitive concern that many can relate to in their own way of being and expression.


    Now that we have established that we couldn't care less about who you are, we can carry on.
    I agree with your sentiments and understand your intentions but for A LOT of religious people, especially Christians, critiquing how they apply their religiosity is almost akin to attacking a part of their identity. So, if that's the case, why would they change a part of who they are just because you are trying to enlighten them? That's why I called it a fruitless endeavor.... not because your points aren't valid.

    *I am playing devil's advocate... I am an atheist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Consilience View Post
    I agree with your sentiments and understand your intentions but for A LOT of religious people, especially Christians, critiquing how they apply their religiosity is almost akin to attacking a part of their identity. So, if that's the case, why would they change a part of who they are just because you are trying to enlighten them? That's why I called it a fruitless endeavor.... not because your points aren't valid.
    I know, silly. I meant I'm sighing just like you are.



    *I am playing devil's advocate... I am an atheist.
    Which really shouldn't change anything.

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    As do the sword, the spear, the paper and the pen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Consilience View Post
    I agree with your sentiments and understand your intentions but for A LOT of religious people, especially Christians, critiquing how they apply their religiosity is almost akin to attacking a part of their identity. So, if that's the case, why would they change a part of who they are just because you are trying to enlighten them? That's why I called it a fruitless endeavor.... not because your points aren't valid.

    *I am playing devil's advocate... I am an atheist.

    Well, that also depends on how exactly are you doing it, If you do it in a calm enough way you can shake up the person. Plus more importantly if you are good at this you many effect a person that is listening the conversation and it is in doubt about whatever the issue is. I did a number of "debates" on this site not really because of the person that is on the other side but because of "bystanders" that are in doubt. :confession:



    I am playing devil's advocate as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtual ghost View Post
    Well, that also depends on how exactly are you doing it, If you do it in a calm enough way you can shake up the person. Plus more importantly if you are good at this you many effect a person that is listening the conversation and it is in doubt about whatever the issue is. I did a number of "debates" on this site not really because of the person that is on the other side but because of "bystanders" that are in doubt. :confession:



    I am playing devil's advocate as well.
    But based on the video and subsequent responses, I doubt the OP would be open to that. That's what I am arguing.😁

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