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    We are closer to this that people think, the data they are collecting from our pulses , heart rate, search engines etc.. they are working don't you ever think they are doing NOTHING will all this information when in a time information is power.. everyone is gathering in order to use it in a way to have control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abcdenfp View Post
    We are closer to this that people think, the data they are collecting from our pulses , heart rate, search engines etc.. they are working don't you ever think they are doing NOTHING will all this information when in a time information is power.. everyone is gathering in order to use it in a way to have control.
    privacy is dead
    If this where true though, if surveillance was as total and perfect as a lot of people tend to make out then there would be no crime that goes undetected (if not unpunished), there'd be no information problems in the economy and perfect competition, allocative efficiency and true post-scarcity would be the norm but they arent.

    So while it could be true that greater and greater information and data is being farmed, harvested, produced I think there's way more junk than anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    If this where true though, if surveillance was as total and perfect as a lot of people tend to make out then there would be no crime that goes undetected (if not unpunished), there'd be no information problems in the economy and perfect competition, allocative efficiency and true post-scarcity would be the norm but they arent. So while it could be true that greater and greater information and data is being farmed, harvested, produced I think there's way more junk than anything else.
    I agree there is a lot of junk but I also think that we are not aware of what they are harvesting and why they are harvesting it.
    So because we don't have all the information our scope of understanding is very limited.
    The next 10-15 years are going to be the equivalent of the dark ages in my opinion we are going to witness some set backs and some trials and then the new rebirth will occur our technology renaissance will occur

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abcdenfp View Post
    The next 10-15 years are going to be the equivalent of the dark ages in my opinion we are going to witness some set backs and some trials and then the new rebirth will occur our technology renaissance will occur
    This presumes that democracy will triumph over totalitarian ideologies on the global stage ... and that is very questionable idea at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abcdenfp View Post
    I agree there is a lot of junk but I also think that we are not aware of what they are harvesting and why they are harvesting it.
    So because we don't have all the information our scope of understanding is very limited.
    The next 10-15 years are going to be the equivalent of the dark ages in my opinion we are going to witness some set backs and some trials and then the new rebirth will occur our technology renaissance will occur
    Well that's true, although who are they could tell why and what they are harvesting.

    I dont think that there's a secret Bena Geserit aiming to produce a Kasen Haddarak like Paul Atreides or anything (badly spelt Dune references galore).

    If you use Amazon a lot like me you'll be surprised how even their best AI can make strange suggestions for products based on their faulty or broken algorithms, when I hear people say that AI will fly planes and drive cars I just laugh because I've seen what huge mistakes otherwise decent AI can produce.

    Plus, since a lot of it is over simplified logic a lot of AI has become unintentionally hugely prejudiced (or rather reflects actual prejudice), people talk about criminal profiling being the principle case but I think there's more interesting and much more simple examples of the harvesting of existing data and self-fufiling prophecies. Like the serious reproduction of social ills as social preferences and unintentionally "engineered" outcomes, lots of classical conditioning and reinforcement, an unplanned behaviourist nightmare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtual ghost View Post
    This presumes that democracy will triumph over totalitarian ideologies on the global stage ... and that is very questionable idea at this point.
    I think democracy will definitely prevail at least the ritual or sport of democracy, its a pretty pale imitation of what it was conceived as being in the first place already, more like reality TV than anything its founders imagined.

    Demagogery rather than totalitarianism to be honest, or at best perhaps technocracy, which is pretty likely.

    There's a lot of good books on how limited democracy actual is in practice and whether this is a good idea or not, Schumpeter was a major conservative advocate of democracy as a limited kind of elite sport or contest, probably the best book I read on it was Participation and Democratic Theory. Its a classic now, I managed to get an old torn cover ex-library copy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I think democracy will definitely prevail at least the ritual or sport of democracy, its a pretty pale imitation of what it was conceived as being in the first place already, more like reality TV than anything its founders imagined.

    Demagogery rather than totalitarianism to be honest, or at best perhaps technocracy, which is pretty likely.

    There's a lot of good books on how limited democracy actual is in practice and whether this is a good idea or not, Schumpeter was a major conservative advocate of democracy as a limited kind of elite sport or contest, probably the best book I read on it was Participation and Democratic Theory. Its a classic now, I managed to get an old torn cover ex-library copy.

    First of all totalitarian system disguised as a democracy is still a totalitarian system. So for me these aren't really two separate concepts since the bottom line is deficit of democracy. How exactly will that be put in practice is secondary question basically.


    However even with that in the mix I am actually placing bets on totalitarian future: democracy is melting away across the world, basically all major democracies in this world are in huge debts and they are outsourcing concrete industry/production of goods 24/7 (many even have serious demographic problems), pilled up environmental problems will surely create more drama and dystopia through less options, next world super-power seem to be the country that doesn't even officially have the instrument of elections, a new number of regions and countries are facing social collapse upon those that already are there, military robots are reality for quite some time now and they are getting more sophisticated .... and all of that will chip away the democracy (aka normal life). Which was always vulnerable to "permanent crisis".



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