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    Default what do you think of the idea that evil contains the seeds of its own destruction?

    what do you think about the idea that evil contains the seeds of its own destruction? whether its chaotic, neutral or lawful evil, that it will always be defeated by its own nature or character?

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    I'm actually a little skeptical regarding this, which might contradict what I said in the "good" thread. All the modern myths seem to suggest the opposite, though. But if evil contains the seeds of its own destruction, why does it still exist? It might harm the people who align with it, but that's not the same thing as defeating them.
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    You always hear that good always prevails. You also hear that Good and Evil defeat each other in an everlasting cycle. None of them persists.

    Evil chooses its destruction when Good can destroy it. Good chooses its destruction when Evil can destroy it. There are people out there who fight for good and know that they might not always come back victorious. So does evil. They will, however, fight each other until one of them is a champion, waiting for a new challenger.
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    Swift steeds, dreary nights, and the desolate wasteland, all know me full well
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    Evidently more true than false.
    I don't really believe in fundamentally bad societies, but only societies that have perverted by the few at the top. Since most of humanity aren't fundamentally self destructing wackos, because humanity is quite defined with our survival instincts and knowledge. So the only real question is how quickly will society start to counter mess at the top in the case there is a mess at the top. Through knowledge and propaganda this push can prolonged but history shows that such systems eventually fall apart. Mostly because desire for control and narcissism start to lower productivity and create conflicts ... what lowers objective productivity even further, what triggers people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julius_Van_Der_Beak View Post
    I'm actually a little skeptical regarding this, which might contradict what I said in the "good" thread. All the modern myths seem to suggest the opposite, though. But if evil contains the seeds of its own destruction, why does it still exist? It might harm the people who align with it, but that's not the same thing as defeating them.

    Because new will emerge and it will emerge because the world isn't perfect. But when evil creates enough objective havoc it becomes a target for most and eventually that is the fight it is going to lose, since evil is mostly in random individuals. In the process evil can install even more evil to the mix but eventually self-preservation kicks in for everybody.


    I am not using the term evil in some "metaphysical" way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtual ghost View Post
    Because new will emerge and it will emerge because the world isn't perfect. But when evil creates enough objective havoc it becomes a target for most and eventually that is the fight it is going to lose, since evil is mostly in random individuals. In the process evil can install even more evil to the mix but eventually self-preservation kicks in for everybody.


    I am not using the term evil in some "metaphysical" way.
    This reminds me of the idea that mankind is not infinitely adaptable, they can change to suit their circumstances but only so much and only for so long before something gives way.

    It might not be open, head on, mutually assured destruction style resistance but it is more likely to be a sort of cutting corners, lazy, foot dragging and passive resistance sort of thing, at least at first.

    It is a curious one though because while I've see this argument, about mankind not being infinitely adaptable to particular visions or plans or ideas hatched at the top or by elites, used against communism, even socialism or liberalism, quite a bit, logically, and I've read it used this way too, it applies as much conservatism, capitalism or other schemes too.

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    Evil cannot exist without good. So yes, technically it does possess its own seeds of destruction. Oppressive governments will eventually sow the seeds of its own destruction, via rebellions. So there is definitely a limit to how far things go in one direction.

    I also believe that utopias are impossible because of human nature/the dynamic between good and evil. Society follows a distinct 4 step cycle. Hard times (evil in charge) create strong men (good people, to fight against evil), Strong men create good times (peace), Good times creates weak men (people who are naive to evil), Weak men create hard times (Rise of evil).
    The beginning of the end is beginning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    what do you think about the idea that evil contains the seeds of its own destruction? whether its chaotic, neutral or lawful evil, that it will always be defeated by its own nature or character?
    I think everything contains the seeds of its own destruction. Nothing is truly permanent. Death is a part of life.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    This reminds me of the idea that mankind is not infinitely adaptable, they can change to suit their circumstances but only so much and only for so long before something gives way.

    It might not be open, head on, mutually assured destruction style resistance but it is more likely to be a sort of cutting corners, lazy, foot dragging and passive resistance sort of thing, at least at first.

    It is a curious one though because while I've see this argument, about mankind not being infinitely adaptable to particular visions or plans or ideas hatched at the top or by elites, used against communism, even socialism or liberalism, quite a bit, logically, and I've read it used this way too, it applies as much conservatism, capitalism or other schemes too.



    However the main x factor in this mix is technology, as technology progresses it opens more and more options for those at the top. Today you can have an industry with little or no workers, robotic armies are already here, pictures and audio can be manipulated, 24/7 media coverage is here .... etc. What altogether is fundamental change in how all of this pays out, since evil contains the seeds of destruction but it isn't necessarily seed of it's own destruction. What will surely have profound impact in how 21th century plays out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtual ghost View Post
    However the main x factor in this mix is technology, as technology progresses it opens more and more options for those at the top. Today you can have an industry with little or no workers, robotic armies are already here, pictures and audio can be manipulated, 24/7 media coverage is here .... etc. What altogether is fundamental change in how all of this pays out, since evil contains the seeds of destruction but it isn't necessarily seed of it's own destruction. What will surely have profound impact in how 21th century plays out.
    On the one hand I know what you are saying but on the other I think that the possible impact of technology is always exaggerated, I mean if it wasnt we'd have had a totally crime free utopia a very long time ago.

    What law and order there might exist is largely a mix of good fortune and good people.

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