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    Two surveys of registered scientists in Britain and the USA show that 8% believe in God and 92% don't believe in God.

    In popular culture these figures are almost reversed. This is the first difference between popular culture and high culture.

    Science is the jewel in the crown of high culture, along with music, ballet, theatre, literature, sculpture, architecture, art, while popular culture appeals to what is worst in us.
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    I really don't want to see people attack atheism and agnosticism just because you feel the need to try to start disagreements here based on the idea that one group of people is far superior to others (be that high culture/ popular culture, intelligence/ normalcy, atheists/ theists, mbti/ anti-mbti).

    You're aware that people on this website do not worship mbti, right? There's plenty of criticism and plenty of people who don't take it seriously. You seem to be the one who takes it most seriously, frankly.
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    Not only does this thread not make any relevant point whatsoever, it also baits pointless conflict based on beliefs instead of promoting actual discussion that serves some purpose.

    Well, unless conflict itself is the purpose.

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    @Luminous and @Amberiat, I entirely dissent from your review of Mole's thread. I've rarely had to look too hard to see he's fluffy, fun and lovable. From what I've observed over the years, our dear, playfully creative Mole is very well aware of the true texture of a man's soul, including his own, which like all of us, isn't entirely likeable on our darkest days. Please give the man a break.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Two surveys of registered scientists in Britain and the USA show that 8% believe in God and 92% don't believe in God.

    In popular culture these figures are almost reversed. This is the first difference between popular culture and high culture.

    Science is the jewel in the crown of high culture, along with music, ballet, theatre, literature, sculpture, architecture, art, while
    Mole, I like the way you turn ideas into art forms, redefining the box. You're wonderfully unique and creative.

    popular culture appeals to what is worst in us.
    I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StrawberryBoots View Post
    @Luminous and @Amberiat, I entirely dissent from your review of Mole's thread. I've rarely had to look too hard to see he's fluffy, fun and lovable. From what I've observed over the years, our dear, playfully creative Mole is very well aware of the true texture of a man's soul, including his own, which like all of us, isn't entirely likeable on our darkest days. Please give the man a break.
    Quote Originally Posted by Luminous View Post
    I really don't want to see people attack atheism and agnosticism just because you feel the need to try to start disagreements here based on the idea that one group of people is far superior to others (be that high culture/ popular culture, intelligence/ normalcy, atheists/ theists, mbti/ anti-mbti).

    You're aware that people on this website do not worship mbti, right? There's plenty of criticism and plenty of people who don't take it seriously. You seem to be the one who takes it most seriously, frankly.
    Seriously? You don't think he's egging on conflict?



    Well, StrawberryBoots, let's ask Mole what he thinks about religion, shall we? Pretty sure he'll tell you that you and other believers fall into that lowly 98%.

    I would very much like it if Mole interacted here with us in a friendly way and if he were clearly happy, but it seems to me like he's set on feeling arrogant and superior. When I've tried to be more friendly, I've gotten condescending responses like this.
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    Dear @Luminous,

    For Heaven's sake, please stop. This is obviously a personal matter. Please consider trying a more tactful, private approach via PM directly to Mole.

    Peace to you.
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    It's not at all a personal matter. lol
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    I read a definition : "high culture" means "exemplary culture"

    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Science is the jewel in the crown of high culture, along with music, ballet, theatre, literature, sculpture, architecture, art
    Yes, this culture, al well as classical music is technically exemplary, or high.

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    while popular culture appeals to what is worst in us.
    Yes, but I think popular culture can become "high" if made psychologically and morally exemplary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Two surveys of registered scientists in Britain and the USA show that 8% believe in God and 92% don't believe in God.

    In popular culture these figures are almost reversed.
    This seems to be a result. Technically high does not mean psychologically or morally high.

    So, you're right. Identifying in some way with popular culture, or "appearently sinful" culture, is basically humility.

    And, I think popular culture can be made high.
    I often say "psychological impact" because it's a central concept to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony_goth View Post
    This seems to be a result. Technically high does not mean psychologically or morally high.
    Lol you made a lot of assumptions there about atheism, didn't you? You think it's not psychologically healthy? Not moral? Prove it.
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    and through us...



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