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    I will keep this for the next time someone accuses me of trolling.
    Speaking of you trolling...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bechimo View Post
    Speaking of you trolling...
    The poor quality of this discussion from your part is enough of an evidence who is trolling. May be someone has to pay attention to your repulsive behavior before trying to track dupes - there are plenty of concrete proofs for the former.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bechimo View Post
    Speaking of you trolling...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lib View Post
    You become a completely different person, of course
    Does this mean alcoholics have no souls? Since they constantly nuke their bacteria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yamimaru View Post
    Does this mean alcoholics have no souls? Since they constantly nuke their bacteria?
    I imagine alcoholics don't have souls like the rest of us
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    Very interesting.

    Although I lack the capacity to really understand this, I would assume that matching the bacteria to usefully applicable amounts will take a lot of time and effort. That is the engaging part of discovery, though.

    The PDF is (unsurprisingly) very involved, if I get a month free I'll take a good look at it. The Big 5 is getting more cemented as a personality theory with decent scientific backing; the slow-building picture is a long way off however, since there are many different factors that could be used to account for personality.

    I'm still wondering if empiricism (as proponents of the enlightenment have been pushing for decades) can replace the more nebulous explanations & heuristics that are more typically relied upon to explain behaviour. I don't mean in the sense that these types of scientific discovery are more or less valid (it's common knowledge that what we consume can effect behaviour) but more so if people can adopt an understanding that more closely resembles this kind of information.

    Maybe I should say 'bridge the gap' instead of replace??

    I'm not sure I fleshed my thoughts out here properly, I'll come back to this later.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellmold View Post
    Very interesting.

    Although I lack the capacity to really understand this, I would assume that matching the bacteria to usefully applicable amounts will take a lot of time and effort. That is the engaging part of discovery, though.

    The PDF is (unsurprisingly) very involved, if I get a month free I'll take a good look at it. The Big 5 is getting more cemented as a personality theory with decent scientific backing; the slow-building picture is a long way off however, since there are many different factors that could be used to account for personality.

    I'm still wondering if empiricism (as proponents of the enlightenment have been pushing for decades) can replace the more nebulous explanations & heuristics that are more typically relied upon to explain behaviour. I don't mean in the sense that these types of scientific discovery are more or less valid (it's common knowledge that what we consume can effect behaviour) but more so if people can adopt an understanding that more closely resembles this kind of information.

    Maybe I should say 'bridge the gap' instead of replace??

    I'm not sure I fleshed my thoughts out here properly, I'll come back to this later.
    As a starting point, gut bacteria can influence the mind through the immune system connection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellmold View Post
    Very interesting.

    Although I lack the capacity to really understand this, I would assume that matching the bacteria to usefully applicable amounts will take a lot of time and effort. That is the engaging part of discovery, though.

    The PDF is (unsurprisingly) very involved, if I get a month free I'll take a good look at it. The Big 5 is getting more cemented as a personality theory with decent scientific backing; the slow-building picture is a long way off however, since there are many different factors that could be used to account for personality.

    I'm still wondering if empiricism (as proponents of the enlightenment have been pushing for decades) can replace the more nebulous explanations & heuristics that are more typically relied upon to explain behaviour. I don't mean in the sense that these types of scientific discovery are more or less valid (it's common knowledge that what we consume can effect behaviour) but more so if people can adopt an understanding that more closely resembles this kind of information.

    Maybe I should say 'bridge the gap' instead of replace??

    I'm not sure I fleshed my thoughts out here properly, I'll come back to this later.
    For one thing, the state of microflora depends on the internal body environment, where the pH, chemical content and even temperature differ in different people. Microflora changes composition and metabolite production and secretion in response to environmental change. Of course, it influences the individual's psychological condition by producing B vits (and some other useful stuff for that matter), which ensure the proper neuronal function, but this doesn't define you as a person, only makes you more mentally healthy. Distinction must be made between a system in its entirety (which manifests itself as an usual combination of observed traits) and how it reacts to different factors. I only try to explain why it's very unlikely that microflora controls behavior so much to be able to define one's personality. It's more likely that human personality control its composition, for example, with the frequency of production of stomach acid, which is related to the way one manages stress.
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    Microbiota Transfer Therapy alters gut ecosystem and improves gastrointestinal and autism symptoms: an open-label study | Microbiome | Full Text

    Microbiota Transfer Therapy alters gut ecosystem and improves gastrointestinal and autism symptoms: an open-label study

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    Background
    Autism spectrum disorders (ASD) are complex neurobiological disorders that impair social interactions and communication and lead to restricted, repetitive, and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests, and activities. The causes of these disorders remain poorly understood, but gut microbiota, the 1013 bacteria in the human intestines, have been implicated because children with ASD often suffer gastrointestinal (GI) problems that correlate with ASD severity. Several previous studies have reported abnormal gut bacteria in children with ASD. The gut microbiome-ASD connection has been tested in a mouse model of ASD, where the microbiome was mechanistically linked to abnormal metabolites and behavior. Similarly, a study of children with ASD found that oral non-absorbable antibiotic treatment improved GI and ASD symptoms, albeit temporarily. Here, a small open-label clinical trial evaluated the impact of Microbiota Transfer Therapy (MTT) on gut microbiota composition and GI and ASD symptoms of 18 ASD-diagnosed children.

    Results
    MTT involved a 2-week antibiotic treatment, a bowel cleanse, and then an extended fecal microbiota transplant (FMT) using a high initial dose followed by daily and lower maintenance doses for 7–8 weeks. The Gastrointestinal Symptom Rating Scale revealed an approximately 80% reduction of GI symptoms at the end of treatment, including significant improvements in symptoms of constipation, diarrhea, indigestion, and abdominal pain. Improvements persisted 8 weeks after treatment. Similarly, clinical assessments showed that behavioral ASD symptoms improved significantly and remained improved 8 weeks after treatment ended. Bacterial and phagedeep sequencing analyses revealed successful partial engraftment of donor microbiota and beneficial changes in the gut environment. Specifically, overall bacterial diversity and the abundance of Bifidobacterium, Prevotella, and Desulfovibrio among other taxa increased following MTT, and these changes persisted after treatment stopped (followed for 8 weeks).

    Conclusions

    This exploratory, extended-duration treatment protocol thus appears to be a promising approach to alter the gut microbiome and virome and improve GI and behavioral symptoms of ASD. Improvements in GI symptoms, ASD symptoms, and the microbiome all persisted for at least 8 weeks after treatment ended, suggesting a long-term impact.

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    As I said, it improves the quality of neuronal function, doesn't necessarily change the personality. If we assume that certain traits from the Big 5 are a sign of disorder or impairments, then such causation could imply. Otherwise, that's highly unlikely. That's why people compare healthy with unhealthy types. Also, everybody develops their personality to a different extend.

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