Perhaps Oldham's Personality Styles can help my typing process

[RobinSkye]

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Idiosyncratic
Code: IDI
Disorder: Schizotypal
Enneagram: 5w4, 4w5
Variant: Sexual
Myers-Briggs: INTJ, INTP
Function: Introverted Intuition

Description: Idiosyncratic men and women are not like anyone else. They are dreamers, seekrs of the spirit, visionaries, mystics. They march to a distinctive beat, different from the conventional rhythms that most people follow. They are true originals and often they stand out, sometimes as eccentrics, sometimes as geniuses.
# Inner life. Idiosyncratic individuals are tuned in to and sustained by their own feelings and belief systems, whether or not others accept or understand their particular worldview or approach to life.
# Own world. They are self-directed and independent, requiring few close relationships.
# Own thing. Oblivious to convention, Idiosyncratic individuals create interesting, unusual, often eccentric lifestyles.
# Expanded reality. Open to anything, they are interested in the occult, the extrasensory, and the supernatural.
# Metaphysics. They are drawn to abstract and speculative thinking.
# Outward view. Though they are inner-directed and follow their own hearts and minds, Idiosyncratic men and women are keen observers of others, particularly sensitive to how other people react to them.



Inventive
Code: INV
Disorder: Compensatory Narcissistic (not a personality disorder in DSM-IV)
Enneagram: 3w4, 4w3
Variant: Social
Myers-Briggs: ENFP, ENTP
Function: Extraverted Intuition

The following description was written by Dave Kelly. A bibliography can be found here.

Description: The following ten traits and characteristics are typical of the Inventive personality type.

* Idealized self-image. Individuals of the Inventive type develop highly idealized images of themselves with which they identify and which they love. The person is his idealized self and seems to adore it (Glad, 494).
* Subdued demeanor. Persons of the Inventive type are energetic, but phlegmatic in temperament. "They can be quiet, rather private, subdued in demeanor, and have artistic interests and aesthetic sensibilities (Riso, 102)."
* Attention. Individuals of the Inventive type have a tendency to behave in such a way as to attract attention. "They can be subtle show-offs, but show-offs nonetheless (Riso, 103)."
* Openness to culture. The Inventive person has unusual thought processes, values intellectual matters, and judges in unconventional terms. He or she is aesthetically reactive and has a wide range of interests (McCrae and John).
* Intelligence. "Intelligence will typically be emphasized in their self-images and social dealings." They put great stock in their ideas and demand that others do likewise (Riso, 103).
* Competence. The faith of those of the Inventive type is "in their ability to improvise something, and they display an unusual talent for rising to the expediency of a situation (Keirsey, 184)." Their focus is on competent excellence in performance.
* Innovation. The Inventive type maintains an independent view and is "the most reluctant of all the types to do things in a particular manner just because that is the way things always have been done (Keirsey, 183)." They are inventors and innovators.
* Cleverness. They are mentally bright and quick-witted. For those of the Inventive type "to be taken in, to be manipulated by another, is humiliating; this offends their joy in being masters of the art of oneupmanship (Keirsey, 185)."
* Status. They are highly competitive in pursuit of success and prestige. They want very much to be outstanding in some way (Riso, 103), to gain recognition, even fame and glory.
* Self-consciousness Persons of the Inventive type look to others for approval (Reich, 47). They are very conscious of how others treat them (Riso, 103) and highly sensitive to criticism (Oldham, 89) and negative evaluation.

Self-Confident
Code: CFD
Disorder: Narcissistic
Enneagram: 3w2
Variant: Self-Preservational
Myers-Briggs: ESTP, ENTP
Function: Extraverted Thinking

Description: Self-Confident individuals stand out. They're the leaders, the shining lights, the attention-getters in their public or private spheres. Theirs is a star quality born of self-regard, self-respect, self-certainty -- all those self words that denote a faith in oneself and a commitment to one's self-styled purpose. Combined with the ambition that marks this style, that magical self-regard can transform idle dreams into real accomplishment. The Self-Confident personality style is one of the two most goal-directed of all fourteen (the other is the Aggressive style). Self-Confident men and women know what they want, and they get it. Many of them have the charisma to attract plenty of others to their goals. They are extroverted and intensely political. They know how to work the crowd, how to motivate it, and how to lead it. Hitch on to their bandwagons, and you'll be rewarded. The Self-Confident style adds go-getting power to other personality styles. For example, it counteracts the Conscientious person's tendency to get sidetracked by details, and it fuels the Adventurous person's great feats of daring. It propels any persoanlity pattern into the realm of success. Indeed, the Self-Confident style confers an ability to be successful more than any but the Aggressive personality style.

* Self-regard. Self-Confident individuals believe in themselves and in their abilities. They have no doubt that they are unique and special and that there is a reason for their being on this planet.
* The red carpet. They expect others to treat them well at all times.
* Ambition. Self-Confident people are unabashedly open about their aspirations and possibilities.
* Politics. They are able to take advantage of the strengths and abilities of other people in order to achieve their goals, and they are shrewd in their dealings with others.
* Competition. They are able competitors, they love getting to the top, and they enjoy staying there.
* Stature. They identify with people of high rank and status.
* Dreams. Self-Confident individuals are able to visualize themselves as the hero, the star, the best in their role, or the most accomplished in their field.
* Self-awareness. These individuals have a keen awareness of their thoughts and feelings and their overall inner state of being.
* Poise. People with the Self-Confident personality style accept compliments, praise, and admiration gracefully and with self-possession.

I relate extremely closely with both the idiosyncratic and inventive types. Also, quite closely with the self-confident type. What I gather from such, is that I must be xNTP. I relate to being either a 4w5 or a 4w3. So the idiosyncratic and inventive types seem equally likely.

Some points:

Function: Introverted Intuition

I do relate with both introverted and extroverted intuition. Is the suggestion here with Ni's relation to the INTP that there is an unseen Ni at work with them? Why is Ni more characteristic of the idiosyncratic type than of the inventive type (which is classified as being linked to Ne)?

not like anyone else. They are dreamers, seekrs of the spirit, visionaries, mystics. They march to a distinctive beat, different from the conventional rhythms that most people follow. They are true originals and often they stand out, sometimes as eccentrics, sometimes as geniuses.
# Inner life. Idiosyncratic individuals are tuned in to and sustained by their own feelings and belief systems, whether or not others accept or understand their particular worldview or approach to life.
# Own world. They are self-directed and independent, requiring few close relationships.

I relate perfectly to all of this. I'm highly individualism and tuned into my own feelings/belief system. This is something I have mistook as being high Fi. (Similar case: [INTP] INTP with high Fi (type 4w5)) I am not easily motivated by acquiring new relationships, and believe that people should act on their own accord. At the same time, I am easily moved by interactions of great beauty between individuals (expressive of great love or passion) but also can get furious if I feel that things such as my intelligence, individuality, etc. are being questioned, ignored, or attacked. Obviously, this is a large part of what had lead me to consider INFP as a possibility.

# Own thing. Oblivious to convention, Idiosyncratic individuals create interesting, unusual, often eccentric lifestyles.
# Expanded reality. Open to anything, they are interested in the occult, the extrasensory, and the supernatural.
# Metaphysics. They are drawn to abstract and speculative thinking.
# Outward view. Though they are inner-directed and follow their own hearts and minds, Idiosyncratic men and women are keen observers of others, particularly sensitive to how other people react to them.

I'm extremely eccentric and unusual. I go out of my way to do things separate from others and find ways of making it more efficient, artistic, expressive, interesting, etc. I'm a lot more sensitive of how others view me than a typical classification of an INTP, which is odd considering I don't feel the need to associate with many people. Generally, I will only do so if I think that they're particularly competent or will help me in some greater purpose. I gather that a lot of these points are combining Ne, Ti, and Fi to a major extent, which really resonates with me.

Thoughts!?

 

[RobinSkye]

Grey:

Fours and Fives can resemble each other in that both are withdrawn types (PT, 433-36), both can be individualistic and eccentric by mainstream cultural standards, and both can be highly creative. Of course, there is a greater risk of mistyping with 4w5s and 5w4s.
Fives are more likely to mistype as Fours than vice versa, primarily because of simplistic definitions of the types. Some Fives have learned that Fours are more feeling-oriented, and Fives are more intellectual, and seeing that they have deep feelings presume that they must be Fours. (This is especially true with female Fives.) Also, Fives are often portrayed as scientists or engineers while Fours are creative artists. In fact, it is true that Fours are less likely to be scientists than some other types, but there are as many Fives who are artists as Fours, although their styles are somewhat different.
Fours are self-absorbed and emotionally volatile–they express their feelings one way or another, and need people to respond to them in an emotional way. Their artistic work tends to be autobiographical, based on their families, on relationships, past or unrequited, and on the content of their subjective experience. Fives may have intense feelings but share them with few people. Their feelings tend to fuel their thoughts and their imagination, leading them to more abstract or fantastic forms of creative expression. Their work is less autobiographical, and more often portrays their vision of reality. ("I paint what I see!") Fives tend to be more experimental and outlandish in their artwork. Although both types can explore personal darkness more thoroughly than most, Fours tend to focus on their disappointments in love and with their childhoods and their attendant pain. Fives tend to focus on inner emptiness and feelings of meaninglessness. Fives are more driven to penetrate the surface of things to understand, Fours to get in touch with feelings and cathartically express them. compare Fours Ingmar Bergman and Anne Rice with Fives David Lynch and Clive Barker.

This makes me lean more towards 5w4. It even shows in my work. I am exactly like the 5w4 description. INTP 5w4 it is.

 

[RobinSkye]

4w5 or 5w4?

 

[Mal12345]

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I relate extremely closely with both the idiosyncratic and inventive types. Also, quite closely with the self-confident type. What I gather from such, is that I must be xNTP. I relate to being either a 4w5 or a 4w3. So the idiosyncratic and inventive types seem equally likely.

Some points:

I do relate with both introverted and extroverted intuition. Is the suggestion here with Ni's relation to the INTP that there is an unseen Ni at work with them? Why is Ni more characteristic of the idiosyncratic type than of the inventive type (which is classified as being linked to Ne)?
Thoughts!?

Four-letter designations, derived from a simplistic formula, are only a crude approximation of what's really going on.

"I gather that a lot of these points are combining Ne, Ti, and Fi to a major extent, which really resonates with me." If it resonates with you, then it must be the truth.

There are personality systems out there that aren't so simplistic.