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    I got a better result the second time around too:-

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    I literally despise rehabilitate justice because people don't know when to use mercy. I wonder how to rehabilitate person who commit murder, stay in prison and then again do same thing? There are cases where rehabilitation is waste of time and that person is just a waste of state resources. You defended psychopaths, traitors of state who use public money (your money ) who by moral law need to be executed in public. Execution is only solution to these people.

    Public vs private property

    There are public goods like schools, roads, hospitals, railways etc who need to be in property of state because only in that way you can satisfy needs of all people no matter of their status and they can trust these companies because they know they are property of all of them.

    There are private goods who are invent by one person or small group of people in order to get profit. Now these kind of goods must not suffer from any kind of restriction or control of state as long as they work according to law.
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    Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norexan View Post
    I literally despise rehabilitate justice because people don't know when to use mercy. I wonder how to rehabilitate person who commit murder, stay in prison and then again do same thing? There are cases where rehabilitation is waste of time and that person is just a waste of state resources. You defended psychopaths, traitors of state who use public money (your money ) who by moral law need to be executed in public. Execution is only solution to these people.


    From what I have seen no one here scored 0% on "practical punishment".

    Also since I was born in totalitarian system I don't see people in jail as fundamentally bad, especially since the state locked up some of our best.

    It is illegal for a citizen to kill a citizen so I don't know why the state should wield this option just like that.

    How would your family feel if I charge you of something and execute you ? With death sentence you are rarely punishing just one person.

    Sometimes in the end it turns out that the person was actually innocent.

    Various countries have much different per capita population in prisons and that is the proof that with better management you can have "better society".

    The stereotypical maniacs are actually pretty small number of prisoners and most people are just there due to bad life circumstances. So some can perhaps be "salvaged", what surely wouldn't happen if there isn't any mercy in the mix.

    Removing death sentence reduces amount of stress in general society since you can be sure that there wouldn't be a "mistake".



    Just food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtual ghost View Post
    From what I have seen no one here scored 0% on "practical punishment".

    Also since I was born in totalitarian system I don't see people in jail as fundamentally bad, especially since the state locked up some of our best.

    It is illegal for a citizen to kill a citizen so I don't know why the state should wield this option just like that.

    How would your family feel if I charge you of something and execute you ? With death sentence you are rarely punishing just one person.

    Sometimes in the end it turns out that the person was actually innocent.

    Various countries have much different per capita population in prisons and that is the proof that with better management you can have "better society".

    The stereotypical maniacs are actually pretty small number of prisoners and most people are just there due to bad life circumstances. So some can perhaps be "salvaged", what surely wouldn't happen if there isn't any mercy in the mix.

    Removing death sentence reduces amount of stress in general society since you can be sure that there wouldn't be a "mistake".



    Just food for thought.

    How would your family feel if I charge you of something and execute you ?
    Because for some monsters only death but painful and slowly death is right punishment. Imagine how would you feel when the person kidnap, rape and kill your little 14 years daughter. What will you do?


    There no rehabilitation for some cases, for some there are. If you trade with death I will give you death. It is fair and just.
    If you commit mass murder there is no place for you in society. You must be executed.

    We had one party state and there were no or very little crime.
    You can slept in the park of your city and nobody will move you nor steal from you.
    You can open the door of your flat and go to the river and nobody will steal from you.
    We almost achieved idea. We proof that humans are not evil but some people intoxicate our society.


    I believe in punishment - rightful punishment.
    Where criminals will divide into two section: ones who could change and ones who cannot change.
    For example you can kill person accidentally and get up in prison (not hotel but in prison) but you cannot kill 10 person in front of cameras and end up in jail. You are death-trader.
    And this is why I despise rehabilitation as a way of justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norexan View Post
    Because for some monsters only death but painful and slowly death is right punishment. Imagine how would you feel when the person kidnap, rape and kill your little 14 years daughter. What will you do?


    There no rehabilitation for some cases, for some there are. If you trade with death I will give you death. It is fair and just.
    If you commit mass murder there is no place for you in society. You must be executed.

    We had one party state and there were no or very little crime.
    You can slept in the park of your city and nobody will move you nor steal from you.
    You can open the door of your flat and go to the river and nobody will steal from you.
    We almost achieved idea. We proof that humans are not evil but some people intoxicate our society.


    I believe in punishment - rightful punishment.
    Where criminals will divide into two section: ones who could change and ones who cannot change.
    For example you can kill person accidentally and get up in prison (not hotel but in prison) but you cannot kill 10 person in front of cameras and end up in jail. You are death-trader.
    And this is why I despise rehabilitation as a way of justice.

    Well to tell you the truth I think that life in prison until death is perhaps even more cruel than just killing a person. However the thing is that most people will go to the prison and get out one day, so there is no need that they go out as worse people than they came in. Endless shitting on people is exactly what creates what you call "death traders". PTSD is a bitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtual ghost View Post
    Well to tell you the truth I think that life in prison until death is perhaps even more cruel than just killing a person. However the thing is that most people will go to the prison and get out one day, so there is no need that they go out as worse people than they came in. Endless shitting on people is exactly what creates what you call "death traders". PTSD is a bitch.
    I think that sentences must be harder than simply dying as in the UK some of the very worst offenders, child killers or serial killers have either been successful in making attempts on their own lives or have repeatedly tried to kill themselves without success.

    If freedom was valued more by the population at large I figure they would be more concerned about losing it and prisons would be a much more dread prospect than it is. The only reason that I think its not valued is that people are increasingly experiencing so many contexts in which they are not free or dont feel free or they're forfeiting their freedom for some reason, like making a living, so by the time they'd ever be likely to experience imprisonment its not the bid deal it ought to be.

    I do agree with the whole death traders and deserving punishments, ie just desserts, at least as a gut instinct. However, when I think about it, I've heard good arguments about how, because of the likely punishment's irreversible nature, that really lawful authorities using the death penalty are likely to have to employ evidence thresholds which are so high it could result in guilty people going free as it is "not proven", whereas at present with life sentences and appeal, they are at least off the streets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtual ghost View Post
    Well to tell you the truth I think that life in prison until death is perhaps even more cruel than just killing a person. However the thing is that most people will go to the prison and get out one day, so there is no need that they go out as worse people than they came in. Endless shitting on people is exactly what creates what you call "death traders". PTSD is a bitch.
    Well every human being value his life unless he is self destructible but this is psychological case. Think about it, if you put their lives on dice, only those who have courage will do bad things. Cowards don't. They are conformist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtual ghost View Post
    Well to tell you the truth I think that life in prison until death is perhaps even more cruel than just killing a person. However the thing is that most people will go to the prison and get out one day, so there is no need that they go out as worse people than they came in. Endless shitting on people is exactly what creates what you call "death traders". PTSD is a bitch.
    I used to be for capital punishment until I realized the degree of dishonesty and incompetence employed in the building of many cases against individuals by both law enforcement and prosecutors.
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