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MBTI type and Success

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I have been pondering lately about our potential for success. One of my friends (supposedly enfp) was mentioning that life seems to conspire for us such that certain opportunities arise out of mystic forces...He came up with the assertion based on a past memory of passing a Engineering firm that caused a positive vibe/feeling. He later received a job offer to the exact same firm, which he never realized until he passed the building once more. I thought about the following conjecture to explain this phenomena....
There exists a maximum potential that is a function of space and time, which is essentially unattainable. The maximum potential is defined on the basis of perfection.....meaning every such move in life in which we pursue is ideal. We are imperfect, so our life consists of a series of ups and downs. Now, we also create a global area of possibilities to be unlocked depending on our directed paths...If we confine ourselves globally, then the number of possibilities is greatly reduced. Thus, to unlock more possibilities in global space, we must diverge from our current domain. Otherwise, the limitation of possibilities within our current domain will hinder success. Therefore, my friend was able to attain this opportunity because he branched outward on multiple paths which coincided with the possibility leading to success. There may have existed other paths that would have lead to the same destination. However, had he confined himself in space, the opportunity likely wouldn't have opened.

Short story long....How does each function assist with the attainment of success?
 

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For one, I think each might define success currently. For Fi, it would have to do with reaching or maintaining certain values. For Ne, it might be exploring possibilities. Etc.
 

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I have been pondering lately about our potential for success. One of my friends (supposedly enfp) was mentioning that life seems to conspire for us such that certain opportunities arise out of mystic forces...He came up with the assertion based on a past memory of passing a Engineering firm that caused a positive vibe/feeling. He later received a job offer to the exact same firm, which he never realized until he passed the building once more. I thought about the following conjecture to explain this phenomena....
There exists a maximum potential that is a function of space and time, which is essentially unattainable. The maximum potential is defined on the basis of perfection.....meaning every such move in life in which we pursue is ideal. We are imperfect, so our life consists of a series of ups and downs. Now, we also create a global area of possibilities to be unlocked depending on our directed paths...If we confine ourselves globally, then the number of possibilities is greatly reduced. Thus, to unlock more possibilities in global space, we must diverge from our current domain. Otherwise, the limitation of possibilities within our current domain will hinder success. Therefore, my friend was able to attain this opportunity because he branched outward on multiple paths which coincided with the possibility leading to success. There may have existed other paths that would have lead to the same destination. However, had he confined himself in space, the opportunity likely wouldn't have opened.

Short story long....How does each function assist with the attainment of success?

I think you are addressing two different points here, the first seems more philosophical, the second more directed.

Though I do like the first part best. I also think that when we focus our energies on attaining our goals, even by pure visualisation techniques it unlocks other parts of ourselves willing to see beyond the normal realms and also gives us a boost.
 

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The business of America is business, so to succeed in America it is advantageous to join a business cult like mbti.

By putting four mbti letters after our name shows our sincerity in wanting to succeed in America.
 

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Hey Mole, I appreciate your skepticism and criticality towards MBTI (and I know you probably don't care about that either), but is that all you see towards Jung's analytical psychology? It's extremely biased to only be critical is all I'm getting at...maybe this belongs in another thread though. Or maybe your fault is only with MBTI (not sure).

Anyway, as somebody that's been heavily into psychology and philosophy (probably cause I'm a little crazy, as the saying goes...), I've really come to appreciate the wisdom that Jung conceived of in his 8 function types, which were based on philosophical extremes, an understanding of objective and subjective orientations in thought, as well as his rationality and irrationality as cognitive balances, and how duality of functions can show biases and pathologies and a framework for pathology and differentiation and getting a better idea of the self (which is pretty different than the cult-like descriptions and prescriptions of MBTI types). But Jung wasn't about all that, which you may know. But most people haven't bothered to read any of the background information he wrote to understand what he was getting at in his 8 function descriptions; and maybe that's his fault.

But so I'm just wondering, what is your stance on Jung? Do you think he was just creating a cult of mind?
 

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Hey Mole, I appreciate your skepticism and criticality towards MBTI (and I know you probably don't care about that either), but is that all you see towards Jung's analytical psychology? It's extremely biased to only be critical is all I'm getting at...maybe this belongs in another thread though. Or maybe your fault is only with MBTI (not sure). Anyway, as somebody that's been heavily into psychology and philosophy (probably cause I'm a little crazy, as the saying goes...), I've really come to appreciate the wisdom that Jung conceived of in his 8 function types, which were based on philosophical extremes, an understanding of objective and subjective orientations in thought, as well as his rationality and irrationality as cognitive balances, and how duality of functions can show biases and pathologies and a framework for pathology and differentiation and getting a better idea of the self (which is pretty different than the cult-like descriptions and prescriptions of MBTI types). But Jung wasn't about all that, which you may know. But most people haven't bothered to read any of the background information he wrote to understand what he was getting at in his 8 function descriptions; and maybe that's his fault. But so I'm just wondering, what is your stance on Jung? Do you think he was just creating a cult of mind?
Carl Jung failed his Psychoanalytic Training with Dr Sigmund Freud because Jung suffered from a psychosis.

As a result Jung transferred his father fixation from Freud to the Fuhrer and started his own religion, which has been taken up by the New Age and American business.
 

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The business of America is business, so to succeed in America it is advantageous to join a business cult like mbti.

By putting four mbti letters after our name shows our sincerity in wanting to succeed in America.

I live in the third world. Here there's no business, and even less success. Still, I like the four letters, the cult and shit. If you hate MBTI so much, if you hate Jung so much too, WHY do you keep posting on a forum that focus, like, 60% of the time on MBTI/Jung's functions? Isn't there any "I <3 FREUD!!!!" forum on the internet full with individuals as psychologically advanced as you that you can join?

Anyway, have a great day, Mole.
 
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All relative to your definition of success. As hard as it may be to believe, not all people view having money and masters degrees as measurements of success. That’s the advertised measure of it. That’s what a society obsessed with bragging rights and money tells you is success. What if you measure success through deeds that don’t have to do with acquiring wealth or power? What if you measure it through living a life being as true to yourself as possible? What if on your deathbed you don’t look back on your life in terms of how many toys you’re dying with? What if instead you view your existence in terms of how many people you have helped through human interaction? No set of statistics are going to quantify these things.

If a fair number of say INFPs are dissatisfied with life could it be because their goals and dreams don’t match those touted by the system in which they live? I’m surrounded by people that don’t value what I value and my ‘success’ is judged by people with a very different concept of what success means. That environment might just lead to certain types feeling unfulfilled. To feel like you’re playing a game that you have no interest in playing and that you don’t see as worth winning because the prize at the end doesn’t interest you. I see humanity as being trapped in a maze where you can see there is an existence beyond it but people insist living in the maze is the way to live.

TL;DR Success is in the eye of the beholder.
 

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I live in the third world. Here there's no business, and even less success. Still, I like the four letters, the cult and shit. If you hate MBTI so much, if you hate Jung so much too, WHY do you keep posting on a forum that focus, like, 60% of the time on MBTI/Jung's functions? Isn't there any "Ip

I understand critical thinking causes you the emotional pain of cognitive dissonance, and the Third World lacks critical thinking., and so remains the Third World.
 

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Carl Jung failed his Psychoanalytic Training with Dr Sigmund Freud because Jung suffered from a psychosis.

As a result Jung transferred his father fixation from Freud to the Fuhrer and started his own religion, which has been taken up by the New Age and American business.

Do you have a source? It is true that Jung had some semitic views before the war, but he was in no way supporting of the Nazis and did not align himself with their anti-semitic genocides and stances during the war. I don't think Jung's analysis of Hitler and the German people following Hitler was even all that inaccurate. He appealed to something in them and it turned out very destructive. It's the same reason Trump freaks me out a little with his wall and views towards immigrants that doesn't match up with factual information.

Carl Jung Psychoanalyzes Hitler: "He's the Unconscious of 78 Million Germans." "Without the German People He'd Be Nothing" (1938) | Open Culture


Were you to google “Carl Jung and Nazism”—and I’m not suggesting that you do—you would find yourself hip-deep in the charges that Jung was an anti-Semite and a Nazi sympathizer. Many sites condemn or exonerate him; many others celebrate him as a blood and soil Aryan hero. It can be nauseatingly difficult at times to tell these accounts apart. What to make of this controversy? What is the evidence brought against the famed Swiss psychiatrist and onetime close friend, student, and colleague of Sigmund Freud?

Truth be told, it does not look good for Jung. Unlike Nietzsche, whose work was deliberately bastardized by Nazis, beginning with his own sister, Jung need not be taken out of context to be read as anti-Semitic. There is no irony at work in his 1934 paper The State of Psychotherapy Today, in which he marvels at National Socialism as a “formidable phenomenon,” and writes, “the ‘Aryan’ unconscious has a higher potential than the Jewish.” This is only one of the least objectionable of such statements, as historian Andrew Samuels demonstrates.

One Jungian defender admits in an essay collection called Lingering Shadows that Jung had been “unconsciously infected by Nazi ideas.” In response, psychologist John Conger asks, “Why not then say that he was unconsciously infected by anti-Semitic ideas as well?”—well before the Nazis came to power. He had expressed such thoughts as far back as 1918. Like the philosopher Martin Heidegger, Jung was accused of trading on his professional associations during the 30s to maintain his status, and turning on his Jewish colleagues while they were purged.

Yet his biographer Deirdre Bair claims Jung’s name was used to endorse persecution without his consent. Jung was incensed, “not least,” Mark Vernon writes at The Guardian, “because he was actually fighting to keep German psychotherapy open to Jewish individuals.” Bair also reveals that Jung was “involved in two plots to oust Hitler, essentially by having a leading physician declare the Führer mad. Both came to nothing.” And unlike Heidegger, Jung strongly denounced anti-Semitic views during the war. He “protected Jewish analysts,” writes Conger, “and helped refugees.” He also worked for the OSS, precursor to the CIA, during the war.

His recruiter Allen Dulles wrote of Jung’s “deep antipathy to what Nazism and Fascism stood for.” Dulles also cryptically remarked, “Nobody will probably ever know how much Prof. Jung contributed to the allied cause during the war.” These contradictions in Jung’s words, character, and actions are puzzling, to say the least. I would not presume to draw any hard and fast conclusions from them. They do, however, serve as the necessary context for Jung’s observations of Adolph Hitler. Nazis of today who praise Jung most often do so for his supposed characterization of Hitler as “Wotan,” or Odin, a comparison that thrills neo-pagans who, like the Germans did, use ancient European belief systems as clothes hangers for modern racist nationalism.

In his 1936 essay, “Wotan,” Jung describes the old god as a force all its own, a “personification of psychic forces” that moved through the German people “towards the end of the Weimar Republic”—through the “thousands of unemployed,” who by 1933 “marched in their hundreds of thousands.” Wotan, Jung writes, “is the god of storm and frenzy, the unleasher of passions and the lust of battle; moreover he is a superlative magician and artist in illusion who is versed in all secrets of an occult nature.” In personifying the “German psyche” as a furious god, Jung goes so far as to write, “We who stand outside judge the Germans far too much as if they were responsible agents, but perhaps it would be nearer the truth to regard them also as victims.”

“One hopes,” writes Per Brask, “evidently against hope, that Jung did not intend” his statements “as an argument of redemption for the Germans.” Whatever his intentions, his mystical racialization of the unconscious in “Wotan” accorded perfectly well with the theories of Alfred Rosenberg, “Hitler’s chief ideologist.” Like everything about Jung, the situation is complicated. In a 1938 interview, published by Omnibook Magazine in 1942, Jung repeated many of these disturbing ideas, comparing the German worship of Hitler to the Jewish desire for a Messiah, a “characteristic of people with an inferiority complex.” He describes Hitler’s power as a form of “magic.” But that power only exists, he says, because “Hitler listens and obeys….”

His Voice is nothing other than his own unconscious, into which the German people have projected their own selves; that is, the unconscious of seventy-eight million Germans. That is what makes him powerful. Without the German people he would be nothing.

Jung’s observations are bombastic, but they are not flattering. The people may be possessed, but it is their will, he says, that the Nazi leader enacts, not his own. "The true leader," says Jung, "is always led." He goes on to paint an even darker picture, having closely observed Hitler and Mussolini together in Berlin:

In comparison with Mussolini, Hitler made upon me the impression of a sort of scaffolding of wood covered with cloth, an automaton with a mask, like a robot or a mask of a robot. During the whole performance he never laughed; it was as though he were in a bad humor, sulking. He showed no human sign.

His expression was that of an inhumanly single-minded purposiveness, with no sense of humor. He seemed as if he might be a double of a real person, and that Hitler the man might perhaps be hiding inside like an appendix, and deliberately so hiding in order not to disturb the mechanism.

With Hitler you do not feel that you are with a man. You are with a medicine man, a form of spiritual vessel, a demi-deity, or even better, a myth. With Hitler you are scared. You know you would never be able to talk to that man; because there is nobody there. He is not a man, but a collective. He is not an individual, but a whole nation. I take it to be literally true that he has no personal friend. How can you talk intimately with a nation?

Read the full interview here. Jung goes on to further discuss the German resurgence of the cult of Wotan, the “parallel between the Biblical triad… and the Third Reich,” and other peculiarly Jungian formulations. Of Jung’s analysis, interviewer H.R. Knickerbocker concludes, “this psychiatric explanation of the Nazi names and symbols may sound to a layman fantastic, but can anything be as fantastic as the bare facts about the Nazi Party and its Fuehrer? Be sure there is much more to be explained in them than can be explained by merely calling them gangsters.”​

That's a far cry from what you're suggesting...
 

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I understand critical thinking causes you the emotional pain of cognitive dissonance, and the Third World lacks critical thinking., and so remains the Third World.

Man, seriously, I love you.
 

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As for success, [MENTION=20634]pop[/MENTION]ulation:1 pretty much summed up what I think about it too, success is subjective. Of course there is a mainstream idea of success but each individual will feel successful differently. That's why so many people who seem "successful" are depressed/unsatisfied etc etc.
For me, and I think that for many IxFPs too, success is something that you can achieve by living according to what makes you feel at peace, without rush, and also being able to sustain a rather simple life without compromising your set of values.
 

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Do you have a source? It is true that Jung had some semitic views before the war, but he was in no way supporting of the Nazis and did not align himself with their anti-semitic genocides and stances during the war. I don't think Jung's analysis of Hitler and the German people following Hitler was even all that inaccurate. He appealed to something in them and it turned out very destructive. It's the same reason Trump freaks me out a little with his wall and views towards immigrants that doesn't match up with factual information. Carl Jung Psychoanalyzes Hitler: "He's the Unconscious of 78 Million Germans." "Without the German People He'd Be Nothing" (1938) | Open Culture
Were you to google "Carl Jung and Nazism"—and I'm not suggesting that you do—you would find yourself hip-deep in the charges that Jung was an anti-Semite and a Nazi sympathizer. Many sites condemn or exonerate him; many others celebrate him as a blood and soil Aryan hero. It can be nauseatingly difficult at times to tell these accounts apart. What to make of this controversy? What is the evidence brought against the famed Swiss psychiatrist and onetime close friend, student, and colleague of Sigmund Freud? Truth be told, it does not look good for Jung. Unlike Nietzsche, whose work was deliberately bastardized by Nazis, beginning with his own sister, Jung need not be taken out of context to be read as anti-Semitic. There is no irony at work in his 1934 paper The State of Psychotherapy Today, in which he marvels at National Socialism as a "formidable phenomenon," and writes, "the 'Aryan' unconscious has a higher potential than the Jewish." This is only one of the least objectionable of such statements, as historian Andrew Samuels demonstrates. One Jungian defender admits in an essay collection called Lingering Shadows that Jung had been "unconsciously infected by Nazi ideas." In response, psychologist John Conger asks, "Why not then say that he was unconsciously infected by anti-Semitic ideas as well?"—well before the Nazis came to power. He had expressed such thoughts as far back as 1918. Like the philosopher Martin Heidegger, Jung was accused of trading on his professional associations during the 30s to maintain his status, and turning on his Jewish colleagues while they were purged. Yet his biographer Deirdre Bair claims Jung's name was used to endorse persecution without his consent. Jung was incensed, "not least," Mark Vernon writes at The Guardian, "because he was actually fighting to keep German psychotherapy open to Jewish individuals." Bair also reveals that Jung was "involved in two plots to oust Hitler, essentially by having a leading physician declare the Führer mad. Both came to nothing." And unlike Heidegger, Jung strongly denounced anti-Semitic views during the war. He "protected Jewish analysts," writes Conger, "and helped refugees." He also worked for the OSS, precursor to the CIA, during the war. His recruiter Allen Dulles wrote of Jung's "deep antipathy to what Nazism and Fascism stood for." Dulles also cryptically remarked, "Nobody will probably ever know how much Prof. Jung contributed to the allied cause during the war." These contradictions in Jung's words, character, and actions are puzzling, to say the least. I would not presume to draw any hard and fast conclusions from them. They do, however, serve as the necessary context for Jung's observations of Adolph Hitler. Nazis of today who praise Jung most often do so for his supposed characterization of Hitler as "Wotan," or Odin, a comparison that thrills neo-pagans who, like the Germans did, use ancient European belief systems as clothes hangers for modern racist nationalism. In his 1936 essay, "Wotan," Jung describes the old god as a force all its own, a "personification of psychic forces" that moved through the German people "towards the end of the Weimar Republic"—through the "thousands of unemployed," who by 1933 "marched in their hundreds of thousands." Wotan, Jung writes, "is the god of storm and frenzy, the unleasher of passions and the lust of battle; moreover he is a superlative magician and artist in illusion who is versed in all secrets of an occult nature." In personifying the "German psyche" as a furious god, Jung goes so far as to write, "We who stand outside judge the Germans far too much as if they were responsible agents, but perhaps it would be nearer the truth to regard them also as victims." "One hopes," writes Per Brask, "evidently against hope, that Jung did not intend" his statements "as an argument of redemption for the Germans." Whatever his intentions, his mystical racialization of the unconscious in "Wotan" accorded perfectly well with the theories of Alfred Rosenberg, "Hitler's chief ideologist." Like everything about Jung, the situation is complicated. In a 1938 interview, published by Omnibook Magazine in 1942, Jung repeated many of these disturbing ideas, comparing the German worship of Hitler to the Jewish desire for a Messiah, a "characteristic of people with an inferiority complex." He describes Hitler's power as a form of "magic." But that power only exists, he says, because "Hitler listens and obeys…." His Voice is nothing other than his own unconscious, into which the German people have projected their own selves; that is, the unconscious of seventy-eight million Germans. That is what makes him powerful. Without the German people he would be nothing. Jung's observations are bombastic, but they are not flattering. The people may be possessed, but it is their will, he says, that the Nazi leader enacts, not his own. "The true leader," says Jung, "is always led." He goes on to paint an even darker picture, having closely observed Hitler and Mussolini together in Berlin: In comparison with Mussolini, Hitler made upon me the impression of a sort of scaffolding of wood covered with cloth, an automaton with a mask, like a robot or a mask of a robot. During the whole performance he never laughed; it was as though he were in a bad humor, sulking. He showed no human sign. His expression was that of an inhumanly single-minded purposiveness, with no sense of humor. He seemed as if he might be a double of a real person, and that Hitler the man might perhaps be hiding inside like an appendix, and deliberately so hiding in order not to disturb the mechanism. With Hitler you do not feel that you are with a man. You are with a medicine man, a form of spiritual vessel, a demi-deity, or even better, a myth. With Hitler you are scared. You know you would never be able to talk to that man; because there is nobody there. He is not a man, but a collective. He is not an individual, but a whole nation. I take it to be literally true that he has no personal friend. How can you talk intimately with a nation? Read the full interview here. Jung goes on to further discuss the German resurgence of the cult of Wotan, the "parallel between the Biblical triad… and the Third Reich," and other peculiarly Jungian formulations. Of Jung's analysis, interviewer H.R. Knickerbocker concludes, "this psychiatric explanation of the Nazi names and symbols may sound to a layman fantastic, but can anything be as fantastic as the bare facts about the Nazi Party and its Fuehrer? Be sure there is much more to be explained in them than can be explained by merely calling them gangsters."​
That's a far cry from what you're suggesting...
Carl Jung's personal diary was kept hidden in a locked safe for more than 70 years because it shows Jung to be psychotic.
 

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Can you substantiate that or are you just parroting other people's opinion/generalization of what I'm assuming is "The Red Book"?
Mind you, Jung believed heavily in metaphor and intuitive insight, things which weren't/aren't easily explained or in his owns, it is "archaic" - Archaic – Jungian concepts

Every civilized human being, however high his conscious development, is still an archaic man at the deeper levels of his psyche. [“Archaic Man,” CW 10, par. 105]

Every civilized human being, however high his conscious development, is still an archaic man at the deeper levels of his psyche. – Carl Jung, “Archaic Man," CW 10, par. 105

In anthropology, the term ‘archaic’ is generally descriptive of primitive psychology.

Jung used it when referring to thoughts, fantasies and feelings that are not consciously differentiated.

Archaism attaches primarily to the fantasies of the unconscious, i.e., to the products of unconscious fantasy activity which reach consciousness. An image has an archaic quality when it possesses unmistakable mythological parallels. Archaic, too, are the associations-by-analogy of unconscious fantasy, and so is their symbolism. The relation of identity with an object, or participation mystique, is likewise archaic. Concretism of thought and feeling is archaic; also compulsion and inability to control oneself (ecstatic or trance state, possession, etc.). Fusion of the psychological functions, of thinking with feeling, feeling with sensation, feeling with intuition, and so on, is archaic, as is also the fusion of part of a function with its counterpart. [“Definitions,” CW 6, par. 684.]​


He also believed that a lot of patients that were labeled as schizophrenic or psychotic usually had abstract thoughts that weren't supposed to be taken as literal. They were simply misunderstood or expected to have normalized thoughts. And the Red Book represents very non-linear, unconscious, and "archaic" thought. Should we just write it off as psychotic just because it's not immediately clear and rational?

A lot of Jung's writing were in this kind of style...and he had a lot of brilliant insights into human psychology. Is that really just the ravings of mad man? Or are you being completely unfair here?
 

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Carl Jung's personal diary was kept hidden in a locked safe for more than 70 years because it shows Jung to be psychotic.

Psychotic is a derogatory term that is merely a mind control mechanism to discredit. I thought you knew that.
 

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Psychotic is a derogatory term that is merely a mind control mechanism to discredit. I thought you knew that.

A psychosis is a mental illness where the sufferer is out of touch with reality, by contrast, a neurosis is a mental illness where the sufferer remains in touch with reality.


Psychoanalysis treats neurosis but does not treat psychosis. Psychosis is only treated by professional, qualified psychiatrists.
 

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@Mole

Can you substantiate that or are you just parroting other people's opinion/generalization of what I'm assuming is "The Red Book"?
Mind you, Jung believed heavily in metaphor and intuitive insight, things which weren't/aren't easily explained or in his owns, it is "archaic" - Archaic – Jungian concepts
Every civilized human being, however high his conscious development, is still an archaic man at the deeper levels of his psyche. [“Archaic Man,” CW 10, par. 105]

Every civilized human being, however high his conscious development, is still an archaic man at the deeper levels of his psyche. – Carl Jung, “Archaic Man," CW 10, par. 105

In anthropology, the term ‘archaic’ is generally descriptive of primitive psychology.

Jung used it when referring to thoughts, fantasies and feelings that are not consciously differentiated.

Archaism attaches primarily to the fantasies of the unconscious, i.e., to the products of unconscious fantasy activity which reach consciousness. An image has an archaic quality when it possesses unmistakable mythological parallels. Archaic, too, are the associations-by-analogy of unconscious fantasy, and so is their symbolism. The relation of identity with an object, or participation mystique, is likewise archaic. Concretism of thought and feeling is archaic; also compulsion and inability to control oneself (ecstatic or trance state, possession, etc.). Fusion of the psychological functions, of thinking with feeling, feeling with sensation, feeling with intuition, and so on, is archaic, as is also the fusion of part of a function with its counterpart. [“Definitions,” CW 6, par. 684.]​


He also believed that a lot of patients that were labeled as schizophrenic or psychotic usually had abstract thoughts that weren't supposed to be taken as literal. They were simply misunderstood or expected to have normalized thoughts. And the Red Book represents very non-linear, unconscious, and "archaic" thought. Should we just write it off as psychotic just because it's not immediately clear and rational?

A lot of Jung's writing were in this kind of style...and he had a lot of brilliant insights into human psychology. Is that really just the ravings of mad man? Or are you being completely unfair here?[/QUOTE

Carl Jung hated Dr Sigmund Freud because Dr Freud refused to qualify Jung as a psychoanalyst because Jung was untreatable as a psychotic. Jung got his revenge by driving Freud out of his home and out of his country and by killing his extended family in the concentration camps. Jung also sexually abused his female patients. And Jung had a father fixation on the Fuhrer. All this throws an interesting light on those who are attracted to Carl Jung.
 

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A psychosis is a mental illness where the sufferer is out of touch with reality, by contrast, a neurosis is a mental illness where the sufferer remains in touch with reality.


Psychoanalysis treats neurosis but does not treat psychosis. Psychosis is only treated by professional, qualified psychiatrists.

Buddy. How do you know YOU are in touch with "reality"?

Psychiatrists aren't interested in you so much as your money. And they feed you things to make you dependent. Sometimes it's drugs. Sometimes it's lies.
 
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