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    Quote Originally Posted by Non_xsense View Post
    You have a close concept of Ne , It's fucking funny 'cause most Intj or Infp can't abstact themself to reach that perspective(High Fi).
    About art maybe you are right but I learned so many skills in music school ( I actually studied Physic for 2 years before musical composition ).
    which make me very hard to think about others perspectives without thinking so many variables( We can use every funtion to differents aspect of music ).

    But really you can't touch Ne in improvization.
    Ne accepts informations from the world just like Se.
    I don't think art will work as stress relief since art is more correlate to sensation.
    Ne creates things, not do known things which is connected to Si.
    INxP in stress should not stay at home (conform) and do art stuff according to already learnt skills because this is Si!And we don't want Si! We want to move!
    INxP has a power to create something new and staying at home won't turn on movable Ne.
    So instead creating the music why don't you challenge yourself to write a book or anything new? That would turn on your aux Ne.
    But I am saying that travailing is the fastest way to turn on Ne because of so many things you can photo and be inspired to create new stories or invent some theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norexan View Post
    In stress your 2nd function is TURN OFF so you need to stimulate it so it can TURN ON.
    I see. Neglected Fi will buoy to the surface and manifest as self-expression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norexan View Post
    Ne accepts informations from the world just like Se.
    I don't think art will work as stress relief since art is more correlate to sensation.
    Ne creates things, not do known things which is connected to Si.
    INxP in stress should not stay at home (conform) and do art stuff according to already learnt skills because this is Si!And we don't want Si! We want to move!
    INxP has a power to create something new and staying at home won't turn on movable Ne.
    So instead creating the music why don't you challenge yourself to write a book or anything new? That would turn on your aux Ne.
    But I am saying that travailing is the fastest way to turn on Ne because of so many things you can photo and be inspired to create new stories or invent some theory.
    That's a good way to put it....Traveling would be a natural route to pull INxP out of a stressful event....Confinement will only suppress Ne use over time because there exists a saturation point in accordance to the inputs which feed it. So long Ne can be fed, stress will be repressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    How did you overcome it? An emetic?
    No...Over time, the stress suppressed my testosterone because energy was diverted for other functions (over-stimulus of stress hormones). I became irritable/angry, unmotivated, un-energetic, and an overall jerk. So, I came to the realization that I must remove the cause to initiate a rebound...My testosterone happened to quintuple by focusing on healing my glands, which ultimately made me more resistant to stressful events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norexan View Post
    Ne accepts informations from the world just like Se.
    I don't think art will work as stress relief since art is more correlate to sensation.
    Ne creates things, not do known things which is connected to Si.
    INxP in stress should not stay at home (conform) and do art stuff according to already learnt skills because this is Si!And we don't want Si! We want to move!
    INxP has a power to create something new and staying at home won't turn on movable Ne.
    So instead creating the music why don't you challenge yourself to write a book or anything new? That would turn on your aux Ne.
    But I am saying that travailing is the fastest way to turn on Ne because of so many things you can photo and be inspired to create new stories or invent some theory.
    Actually musical composition is creating a narrative using sounds this can be anything really , The concept of travel is very similar to the develoment of musical ideas which can have abstract , social , sensorial , logical , cultural , historical themes and more. all of this using our ears. Fiding new meanings and breaking rules is one of the most common drives in musical composition which for Ne that is their home .


    Musical Creativity and the Brain Music is multi-funtion , multi-everything really that is why you need so many years of training to reach some kind of creative liberation .

    Actually Being in this cycle of stess-relief of Ne can be dangerous , I don't think Intp's have problems activating their Ne's instead they suffer more from not focusing their Ne to produce something in the real world.

    Everthing is a balance really ... Finding destinies for our travel funtion isn't easy is fucking hard work .
    I don't think Intp's or at least me , struggle more in activating Ne for Ti-Si loops rather than focusing Ne to produces something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Non_xsense View Post
    Actually musical composition is creating a narrative using sounds this can be anything really , The concept of travel is very similar to the develoment of musical ideas which can have abstract , social , sensorial , logical , cultural , historical themes and more. all of this using our ears. Fiding new meanings and breaking rules is one of the most common drives in musical composition which for Ne that is their home .


    Musical Creativity and the Brain Music is multi-funtion , multi-everything really that is why you need so many years of training to reach some kind of creative liberation .

    Actually Being in this cycle of stess-relief of Ne can be dangerous , I don't think Intp's have problems activating their Ne's instead they suffer more from not focusing their Ne to produce something in the real world.

    Everthing is a balance really ... Finding destinies for our travel funtion isn't easy is fucking hard work .
    I don't think Intp's or at least me , struggle more in activating Ne for Ti-Si loops rather than focusing Ne to produces something.
    This make sense for Ne-Fi (especially Se-Fi) when they need via music to express themselves but not with other Ne user. Creation is introversion not extroversion because it comes within.
    So instead Ti-Ne or Fi-Ne you will push your introverted functions harder and we don't want this. We want to use another perspective of world not your I (I know, I feel etc.). Not be lock up into your own!
    And how to push extroverted functions? Execution. Trying new thing, explore new things, be productive, be social etc... (depend on function )
    So in case INxP we want to push your ability to try new things. Don't be stack in the past.
    Not to mention that music can reveal memory from the past and we don't want it!
    Music can be grave for INFP when they are in stress. That feelings + memory my god.
    Or for INTP thoughts about something + memory can be literally dangerous thing to others.
    We want to move you so your Ti see another things and invent something new.

    When people in stress they usually push their 1st and 3rd which have demonic nature.
    This won't destroy cause of stress. Not without consequences of self or to others.
    Stress can be healed only when you see another perspective of you and be focused on it.
    So if you are introvert to see extrovert part of you and if you extrovert to see introvert of you.
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    Actually you have some right if we use popular music or using music with classical influence in aestethic as examples.
    There is another beast and that is how to develoment sound cells using an abstract thinking and trying to find new paradigms but really like words i can hear alot more content that beauty and sensorial pleasure in music .

    YouTube It is really easy to see Ti how he aprooch structures and Ne random-breaking rules perspectives.
    What i'm saying is that music is just another language you can use it from a philosophical , Logical , math , emotional , social , historical , ect , point of view ... similar to writting you use it for whatever but of course the skill gap is alot higher 'cause you need to understand concepts using yours ear rather than your vision.

    The argument that art is emotional and sensorial is totally false , you just need to go to any art school and the way they teach it is totally logical and intuitive , of course there is a place for emotions.

    It's not fair asking to change your ideas when you need to learn another language for that .
    You aren't far in ur Ne ideas tho this stress-relief can act as a drug and in others cases you need to narrow Your Ne to finish projects , this was my point ... assertive Intp's rarely get stuck In Ti-Si loops , Without Ne we don't do shit ... playing videogames all day , of course from that perspective what you said help alot but i think is alot more common to Intp' to use their Ne too much in their brain rather than express it .
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    The argument that art is emotional and sensorial is totally false , you just need to go to any art school and the way they teach it is totally logical and intuitive , of course there is a place for emotions.
    Yeah, ISFP the Artist or SPs Artists has that name because somebody likes the name and decide to call them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norexan View Post
    Yeah, ISFP the Artist or SPs Artists has that name because somebody likes the name and decide to call them.
    Of course but they understand it and enjoy it in a totally different way , A good ear imagine structures , narratives , intuition in compositional processes , meanings . just finding sensorial information in music is just not a well educated ear or a better description: a ear which can't abstract sounds.

    It's like a four years old kid trying to read tolstoi.
    Well you can read einstein talking about music if you want Einstein On Creative Thinking: Music and the Intuitive Art of Scientific Imagination | Psychology Today.

    But really musical composition can be anything really isn't a uni-dimensional skill is alot more than , here is fun article to read about that.
    Music and emotion—a composer's perspective

    My Point is that Ne can find an unlimited supply of information by studying music and you can create whatever the fuck you want.

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    My Point is that Ne can find an unlimited supply of information by studying music and you can create whatever the fuck you want.
    But we are talking about ending the loop by awaking of Ne and music cannot awaking Ne simple because it is not novelty for you!
    You will be still be at your home, do what you are already mastered and if you try to CREATE YOUR MUSIC (Ji - Ne) , instead play somebody-s else (Ji - Si) you will be flooded by emotions of the past!
    This is a reason why music is not recomanded if you have Ne/Si on axis.
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