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    Quote Originally Posted by hurl3y4456 View Post
    It's more of a spectrum, so in that regard yes, everyone would be an ambivert (especially function wise). Yet, the closer you tend towards the middle, the harder it gets to differentiate and hence, determine type......Someone at the extreme end (INTJ w/ highly developed Ni and undeveloped Te) would be viewed more strongly as an introvert than (INTJ w/ highly developed Te). Thus, development of lower functions can mask the effect of a dominant extroverted function and vice versa.
    For this reason, I try to look at the order that the functions go in. So the difference between INTJ-Te and ENTJ-Ni wouldn't be so much who has more Ni or Te, but do they use Te followed by Ni, or Ni followed by Te?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurl3y4456 View Post
    Yes, of course the aux functions won't determine I/E....I haven't read into the theory, but I proposed that method since the idea of "spectrum" can apply to multiple concepts. Function development is determined by environmental stimulus....That is, if you're a Ti user and you're confined daily within a room of prominent Fe users (hypothetical), then Ti development will suffer since people tend to conform to the events that they're situated in....For instance, suppose you follow multiple different paths (butterfly effect)...Then your development & alignment of functions will differ per scenario...

    Since you're INTP, suppose you wake up and everyone is ENTP (strong Ne)....Since you must adapt to the new situation, you will need to feed your Ne more frequently. Thus, your Ne function will gain more strength over time relative to a scenario in which there exists mixed personalities. Your associations can alter the strength of any particular function over time....Yet introversion will still dominate since that's your pulling function (function you gravitate towards)...Thus, from the above scenario you outlined, person 2 may be perceived more strongly as an extrovert than person 1, yet the dominant functions still overrules. The point I was attempting to make was that the "spectrum" may induce a masking effect, which can make it more difficult to pinpoint whether you are E or I.


    That's like saying that an INTJ in a house full of ESFPs is impossible since the Inferior function would be more developed. Also, with I/E especially, you don't strengthen extroversion and become more E. It's not something you just...level up or something. Social skills, yes. Adaptation takes place...that doesn't give you more social energy reserves or determine whether you naturally prefer cognitive introversion vs extroversion. A person can be surrounded by Se their entire lives and still turn out with shitty Se, and around Es their entire lives, encouraged to be E, told I is a bad thing, dissuaded from introversion via social influence such as criticisms (snoody, stuck up, etc. for being quiet) and they are still going to be no less I than they were initially.

    Yes, there is nurture, but there are other (and better) determining factors involved in determining I/E anyways even if you're more balanced in Ne and Ti for example. On a related note, I also grew up with Te being drilled into my brain and still am Ti instead, with a very clear preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexcoder View Post
    That's like saying that an INTJ in a house full of ESFPs is impossible since the Inferior function would be more developed. Also, with I/E especially, you don't strengthen extroversion and become more E. It's not something you just...level up or something. Social skills, yes. Adaptation takes place...that doesn't give you more social energy reserves or determine whether you naturally prefer cognitive introversion vs extroversion. A person can be surrounded by Se their entire lives and still turn out with shitty Se, and around Es their entire lives, encouraged to be E, told I is a bad thing, dissuaded from introversion via social influence such as criticisms (snoody, stuck up, etc. for being quiet) and they are still going to be no less I than they were initially.
    Actually, people do alter the expression of their tendencies considerably depending on their socialisation. It's not uncommon for a male Feeler to come across as a Thinker due to cultural stereotypes, for example, and there are various reasons why a person might mistype themselves, and appear as a different type to other people, depending on what habits they formed regarding their function use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Actually, people do alter the expression of their tendencies considerably depending on their socialisation. It's not uncommon for a male Feeler to come across as a Thinker due to cultural stereotypes, for example, and there are various reasons why a person might mistype themselves, and appear as a different type to other people, depending on what habits they formed regarding their function use.

    I never stated or implied otherwise.

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    Disclaimer: I'm kind of debating while drunk or at least a bit buzzed right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexcoder View Post

    That's like saying that an INTJ in a house full of ESFPs is impossible since the Inferior function would be more developed. Also, with I/E especially, you don't strengthen extroversion and become more E. It's not something you just...level up or something. Social skills, yes. Adaptation takes place...that doesn't give you more social energy reserves or determine whether you naturally prefer cognitive introversion vs extroversion. A person can be surrounded by Se their entire lives and still turn out with shitty Se, and around Es their entire lives, encouraged to be E, told I is a bad thing, dissuaded from introversion via social influence such as criticisms (snoody, stuck up, etc. for being quiet) and they are still going to be no less I than they were initially.

    Yes, there is nurture, but there are other (and better) determining factors involved in determining I/E anyways even if you're more balanced in Ne and Ti for example. On a related note, I also grew up with Te being drilled into my brain and still am Ti instead, with a very clear preference.
    If the brain is plastic (intelligence is fluid), then wouldn't functions behave similarly. Of course, people have preferences based on their natural inclinations, but other functions can be improved or repressed further depending on situation. Why have you developed Ti? Well, simply because you gravitate toward that mode of thinking and every situation your were immersed in facilitated the development further....Like for instance, advanced Math can be stimulating for Ti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hexcoder View Post
    Disclaimer: I'm kind of debating while drunk or at least a bit buzzed right now.
    Well, a buzz a day leaves imagination astray

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    Quote Originally Posted by hurl3y4456 View Post
    Well, a buzz a day leaves imagination astray
    Lol I wonder what excuse the sober ones have then
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    Quote Originally Posted by SigningBeast View Post
    I also get real exhausted being around people in general. Especially when they talk too much or just being around me alot. Like right now, alot of people are talking and I just want to go home and be by myself.
    Sometimes the more ppl talk, the lonelier I feel.
    Promise me. From here on, never again waste new tears for the past.
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    The big five slots high assertiveness with extraversion.
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