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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Intuition is fire
    Feeling is water
    Sensing is earth
    Thinking is air

    Fire and air masculine. Earth and water feminine.

    Just standard elemental correspondences.
    Quote Originally Posted by Norexan View Post
    Feeling - Fire (because Fire is more temperamental then water)
    Intuition - Water (just too deep and creative to be anything else)
    Air - Thinking (too shallow)
    Earth - Sensing (too realistic, practical)
    Fire can be deeper than water and as creative:

    "In alchemy the chemical element of sulfur was often associated with fire and its alchemical symbol and its symbol was an upward-pointing triangle. In alchemic tradition, metals are incubated by fire in the womb of the Earth and alchemists only accelerate their development."

    Fire (classical element) - Wikipedia

    "The Elements: Fire". Cs.utk.edu. Archived from the original on 2007-10-29. Retrieved 2007-10-18.

    Associating magma with fire makes fire deeper than water.

    Also:


    "The deep sea vent, or alkaline hydrothermal vent, theory posits that life may have begun at submarine hydrothermal vents,[232][233] William Martin and Michael Russell have suggested "that life evolved in structured iron monosulphide precipitates in a seepage site hydrothermal mound at a redox, pH, and temperature gradient between sulphide-rich hydrothermal fluid and iron(II)-containing waters of the Hadean ocean floor."

    Abiogenesis - Wikipedia

    Colín-García, M.; A. Heredia; G. Cordero; A. Camprubí; A. Negrón-Mendoza; F. Ortega-Gutiérrez; H. Berald; S. Ramos-Bernal (2016). "Hydrothermal vents and prebiotic chemistry: a review". Boletín de la Sociedad Geológica Mexicana. 68 (3): 599–620. Archived from the original on 18 August 2017.

    Schirber, Michael (24 June 2014). "Hydrothermal Vents Could Explain Chemical Precursors to Life". NASA Astrobiology: Life in the Universe. NASA. Archived from the original on 29 November 2014. Retrieved 2015-06-19.

    Fire might be just as creative as water, even in terms of life's origins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metis View Post
    Fire can be deeper than water and as creative:

    Creative as water yes. Deeper no. Fire is associate with extraversion. Acting (do things) instead thinking/feeling. Passion instead love. Sensing instead intuition. Outer realistic world instead inner imaginative world. Light instead Dark. Dynamic instead static.

    Fire = ESFP (social) - strength and passion
    Water = INFJ (humanitarian) - intuition and healing
    Air = ENTP (investigetive) - innovation and mind
    Earth = ISTJ (practical) - practical and secure
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metis View Post
    Fire can be deeper than water and as creative:

    "In alchemy the chemical element of sulfur was often associated with fire and its alchemical symbol and its symbol was an upward-pointing triangle. In alchemic tradition, metals are incubated by fire in the womb of the Earth and alchemists only accelerate their development."

    Fire (classical element) - Wikipedia

    "The Elements: Fire". Cs.utk.edu. Archived from the original on 2007-10-29. Retrieved 2007-10-18.

    Associating magma with fire makes fire deeper than water.

    Also:


    "The deep sea vent, or alkaline hydrothermal vent, theory posits that life may have begun at submarine hydrothermal vents,[232][233] William Martin and Michael Russell have suggested "that life evolved in structured iron monosulphide precipitates in a seepage site hydrothermal mound at a redox, pH, and temperature gradient between sulphide-rich hydrothermal fluid and iron(II)-containing waters of the Hadean ocean floor."

    Abiogenesis - Wikipedia

    Colín-García, M.; A. Heredia; G. Cordero; A. Camprubí; A. Negrón-Mendoza; F. Ortega-Gutiérrez; H. Berald; S. Ramos-Bernal (2016). "Hydrothermal vents and prebiotic chemistry: a review". Boletín de la Sociedad Geológica Mexicana. 68 (3): 599–620. Archived from the original on 18 August 2017.

    Schirber, Michael (24 June 2014). "Hydrothermal Vents Could Explain Chemical Precursors to Life". NASA Astrobiology: Life in the Universe. NASA. Archived from the original on 29 November 2014. Retrieved 2015-06-19.

    Fire might be just as creative as water, even in terms of life's origins.
    You are on the right track with some of this. To elaborate on my previous summary:

    The connection between fire and intuition becomes clearer if you think of the phrase "the spark of intuition", or how it is often described as lightning flashes of insight.

    Water is cleansing, often relaxing. It is the environment of the womb. Of course it can also be quite destructive, as in floods or drowing. This suggests feeling more than any of the other elements.

    Earth is very stable, tangible, ever present to our senses, corresponding to our physical needs. Yes, we need water, air, and heat/energy, too, but consider that cornucopias are filled with fruits of the earth, not jugs of water or a box of matches.

    Air as thought is most easily seen by considering what it is not: it is not as substantial as the other elements, even fire; it is invisible, and we see its effects rather than the thoughts themselves. In the modern age, we understand that thoughts are often communicated through the air, in radio waves, wifi signals, etc. Of course the ancients had none of that, just another way to view the traditional correspondence.

    Fire and water are also alchemical opposites, to parallel the first being masculine, the second feminine. Likewise, air and earth are opposites. The feminine associations are seen in the common notion of "mother earth", and the ages-old tendency to see the sea and storms as feminine (e.g. hurricanes used to be given only female names). These pairings are often represented by a schematic like this, and are fairly standard in modern pagan interpretations:


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    Actually it is... There is two antipodes Air <--> Earth and Fire <--> Water.

    Earth - rigidity, meaningful, lawful, stability etc This is definition of logic. 2+2=4. Everything what they do has a meaning or sense. They bring sense to the world which is definition of thinking. Now if they move more toward water they become more theoretical and speculative (Ti) because in water they find deepness and if they move more toward fire they are more scientific (Te) i.e. oriented on real world.
    Air - shapeless, formless, meaningless, shallow. This is definition of emotion 2+2=10. Basically every air do things without any sense. They do things because their feelings dictate them. If they move more toward water they become self satisfying, self-absorbing or artistic (Fi) and if they move more toward fire they become friendly butterflies with that smile on their face (Fe)

    Water - deep, fluently, darkness, death. This is definition of intuition. Nothing can be create without water and nothing can destroy without water. Water is ultimate source of creativeness and destruction. If they move more toward earth they become more visionary (concrete) Ni and if they move more toward air they become more creative (fluently) Ne
    Fire - passion, aggression, light, life. This is definition of sensation. Warm fire wants to keep everybody in good position, they want to love and explore the world unlike water who wants to shape the world or eventually destroy it. Fires really knows how to create their own way in life. If they move more toward earth they become hard-working like a unstoppable flame in forest Si and if they move more toward air they become more hedonistic i.e. enjoy in life like largest flame in the sky wanted to see its magnificent by everyone. Se


    Te Fire <--- Earth --> Water Ti
    Fe Fire <--- Air-----> Water Fi
    Ni Earth <---Water---> Air Ne
    Si Earth <----Fire-----> Air Se

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    Average dom Fe is more powefull then average dom Te. They are so acceptable in society and able to take control over mass because of that! Average dom Te is too fair and truthful for his own good and demise. And people and truth... Most people don't understand but dom Te if leads people they are leading them because people in them see someone who is knowledgeable, fair, truthfull and just! (leading because they make sense to the world, they teach others not hide knowledge i.e. give reason to others, there is nothing irrational in Earth, everything must be connected and on its place like solid state and scientific view of world must be presented to others) People in them see a leader with their passive streingh like a rock who crush everything on its path!

    #ENFJ #ESFJ <--- Air vs Earth ----> #ESTJ #ENTJ
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    What is a need one little man compere to needs of all of us. Nothin'

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