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    Default SF or NT?

    **this thread is a basically a copy-paste from PersonalityCafe**



    'sup.

    In this thread, I'd like you to type the following two people, one is an NT, the other is an SF.
    Ignore 'functions' completely and rely entirely on the following.

    The criteria is as follows:
    NT - reasons (T) in the abstract world (N).
    SF - values (F) in the physical world (S).

    The SF will be:
    Using intuition, abstractions, connections, 'why' or explanations to support S.
    Using any reasons or logic to support the 'punchline' that is F values.

    The NT will be:
    Using tangible, physical reality to support N.
    Using values, likes and dislikes to support the 'punchline' that is T reasons.

    When doing it, make sure you actually scratch the opposing preferences off as a possibility - so if you're seeing one and think SF, have a look at what the NT is according to the information in this thread, and make sure they're not that, same deal with the NT.








    Who is talking about reasons in the abstract world and how it works (NT) - and who is talking about things in the physical world and whether they like it or not (SF)?

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    For the sake of completeness, here's the other two temperaments that are not found in either of those video clips:
    ST - reasons (T) in the physical world (S).
    NF - values (F) in the abstract world (N).

    In addition - 'here's some stereotypes' for the temperaments - these are sketchy, 'cartoon character' versions of them - don't rely on this:
    • SF - popularity - values/likes/dislikes in the real world, popular to others, popular to self, whatever - this isn't to say they're all about being 'popular' but it's more the idea of them valuing something in the real world.
    • ST - reporter - reasons in the real world, reports facts/data/evidence from real world (not so much the 'why' or what is 'valuable' more of your stereotypical reporting of the facts and the reasons).
    • NF - hippy - values/likes/dislikes in the abstract world and concepts - person living life saying 'I value these abstract values/connections' etc.
    • NT - nerdy - reasons in the abstract world and concepts - reasons for how these things work etc - not related to tangible world, uses reality as analogies etc to communicate and explain reasons re: abstract concepts.


    So with those dodgy 'stereotypes' in mind, you can kinda look at someone and think, well, I think they're an NF - they're not an SF as they're talking about abstract concepts too much, they're not an NT because they're focus is on values and not reasons, they're not an ST because they're not really talking about real-world facts and reasons.. so you can kind narrow things down in this fashion.

    Again those dodgy stereotypes are stressed as being sketchy and basically just a way to divide everybody into four simple groups - and those stereotypes are basically just possible alternatives to keep in mind re: the above mini-descriptors - so the idea is that, if you want, you could look for say, "values/likes/dislikes in the real world" for SF as the idea of 'popularity' talk, i.e what the value of something real is to the person.

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    In addition to that test, I'll include this screenshot from the class - I do have permission to share this, fwiw:

    Basic type checklist:


    The legend is pretty obvious, but I'll type it out anyway:
    O - observer function - (P).
    D - decider function (D).

    Oi - introverted observer (Pi).
    Oe - extroverted observer (Pe).
    Di - introverted decider (Ji).
    De - extroverted decider (Je).

    DD - Double deciders (both J functions in aux-tert positions, I believe - hasn't been explicitly stated yet).
    OO - Double observer (both P functions in aux-tert positions, I believe - hasn't been explicitly stated yet).

    I realise some of the screenshot is cut out, I edited out the camera - there is no full-shot of the whole thing, but my guesstimate re: what those cut-off sections say are:
    OO - chaos. I think only the 's' is cut out.
    De - self.
    Oe - to do with?


    I'd like to note, that the 'test' in this first class pertains to one single binary choice from that basic checklist, and it's a restricted one at that - of the whole thing, it's literally NT v SF.
    No functions are touched. No needs are touched. No other letters are touched. No temperaments are touched.



    Disclaimer: This is derived from the first ObjectivePersonality class, to the point I've used literally the same video clips as in the class.

    I have permission to share what I learn, as long as I don't just straight up download the classes etc and upload them i.e disrespecting other paid members.

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    I relate to a desire to be popular in general. It's a lot easier for me to love myself than to be loved by others.

    For some reason, the people that I respect, usually ignore me.
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    Michio Kaku is always enjoyable to watch. He takes very complicated theories and makes them relatable for just about everyone.

    It was a real letdown to go from thinking about the missing pieces of a unified theory being hidden in other dimensions and gravity leaking into other dimensions and dark matter possibly being the shadow of another reality to whatever she was going on about.

    Yes I realize my comment is completely useless. I’m so intrigued by what was discussed in the first video that I’ve become completely distracted. F-ing ditzy NFs! Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Population: 1 View Post
    Michio Kaku is always enjoyable to watch. He takes very complicated theories and makes them relatable for just about everyone.

    It was a real letdown to go from thinking about the missing pieces of a unified theory being hidden in other dimensions and gravity leaking into other dimensions and dark matter possibly being the shadow of another reality to whatever she was going on about.

    Yes I realize my comment is completely useless. I’m so intrigued but what was discussed in the first video that I’ve become completely distracted. F-ing ditzy NFs! Sorry.
    I understand what you're saying - in all fairness, to some people what Michio is talking about is viewed the same way you view what Classroom Diva is talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turi View Post
    I understand what you're saying - in all fairness, to some people what Michio is talking about is viewed the same way you view what Classroom Diva is talking about.
    Certainly. Different interests. I’m not trying to be insulting, it’s just that cosmology is such an engrossing subject for me. So engrossing I just couldn’t listen to her because my mind was very much still listening to what Michio Kaku had said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Population: 1 View Post
    Certainly. Different interests. I’m not trying to be insulting, it’s just that cosmology is such an engrossing subject for me. So engrossing I just couldn’t listen to her because my mind was very much still listening to what Michio Kaku had said.
    Oh, I know you weren't trying to be insulting but some people out there just don't get that kind of thing, lol.
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    I couldn't take the torture of that voice and shut her off.
    Who, if not you. When, if not now.


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    i think the examples you’ve chosen are too different in content to be helpful comparisons between types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chickpea View Post
    i think the examples you’ve chosen are too different in content to be helpful comparisons between types.
    It's intentional...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turi View Post

    Disclaimer: This is derived from the first <snipped link to a site that makes money for nutcases who charge 399.00 an hour to spout bullshit> class, to the point I've used literally the same video clips as in the class.


    Hopefully no TypoC member is stupid enough to pay money at that site.
    Who, if not you. When, if not now.



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