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    Quote Originally Posted by agentwashington View Post
    Ne traits fit me more, yeah
    Lol yes, but which ones? and which ones fit best? do any of the Se descriptions fit you at all?
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    I don't believe assigning personality traits to functions is a very good way of differing between type because of subjectivity. Practicality or independence can look very different depending on who you're asking and how they apply their own definitions to the words. A Te dom may consider themselves independent because of their critical thinking skills while a Se dom may consider themselves independent because of their nonconformity, but both will use the same word. Application is the only sure way to know what function you use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notmyapples View Post
    I don't believe assigning personality traits to functions is a very good way of differing between type because of subjectivity. Practicality or independence can look very different depending on who you're asking and how they apply their own definitions to the words. A Te dom may consider themselves independent because of their critical thinking skills while a Se dom may consider themselves independent because of their nonconformity, but both will use the same word. Application is the only sure way to know what function you use.
    So what would you consider a good measure of evaluation?
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    I'm still Se Dom, this is a neat thread ^_^ Thanks
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    The Sphinx is their cousin, and they speak her language;
    but they are more ancient than the Sphinx,
    and remember that which she hath forgotten...

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    I type as Ne dom so lets look.

    Se

    Extraverted Sensors:
    – Are adaptable and easy-going - I am not very adaptable tbh
    – Are realistic and down-to-earth - I am told I am very irrational actually.
    – Are practical and matter-of-fact - probably no
    – Are excited by adventure and thrills - no
    – Live “in the moment” and prefer to focus on the here-and-now - Present? what's that?
    – Are fond of concrete facts and are aware of details - okay I do like facts.
    – Learn best from hands-on experience - I actually learn best by either books or watching someone else do it. XD
    – Seek stimulation by experiencing life in a hands-on, immersive way - no
    – Have a “live and let live” mentality - Depends. If living and let live allows you to hurt someone else no. Anything else yea its your life bro.
    – Tend to be impulsive and trust their impulses - I am impulsive but I don't trust it lol.
    – Are fun-loving and optimistic - Kinda?
    – Pride themselves on being bold, unconventional, and spontaneous - no.
    – Prize freedom - yea
    – See all the details around them - not really.


    Extraverted Intuitives:
    – Are always thinking of possibilities and what “could be” - hell ye
    – Focus on the future much more than the present - yep
    – Are original and independent - Kinda? I don't know if I conciously think I am original but I am pretty independent.
    – Love to start and initiate creative projects, but struggle with completing projects - ...*looks at my 15 stories*... yeah this seems really relevant...
    – Work in bursts of impulsive energy - YES
    – Hate routine - actually no I make routines. I hate when other people impose their routines to fuck with my routine.
    – Seek and trust inspiration and are willing to follow it anywhere. - I don't trust myself easily so no.
    – Tend to be enthusiastic and good with people - I am enthusiastic af but I suck at peopleing. XD
    – Love to inspire and motivate others - yas.
    – Find hidden patterns, possibilities, and potentials - Kinda?
    – See so many alternatives that they can have trouble focusing on just one thing - yea
    – Are open-minded and slow to form premature conclusions - Mmmm I think I jump to conclusions too easily sometimes.
    – See things in impressions and focus on “the big picture” - yea

    so as originally thought...I agree more with Ne. and I have little Se. :P

    How the Extraverted Sensor Thinks:

    Extraverted sensors are some of the most realistic personality types. They see things as they are and accept facts readily, making the most of whatever situation they find themselves in. Where the Ne-user sees what “could be” and is always striving to see potential, the Se-user sees what “is” and tries to enjoy and use what they can in the moment. They are extremely observant and aware of all the details of their physical world, and often know how to maneuver throughout life in a graceful way because of their awareness.
    In language, Se-users are direct and concrete. They see little point in beating around the bush or rambling. They can quickly and practically evaluate situations and people to make sound estimations regarding their usefulness and abilities.

    Se-users enjoy the world, their surroundings, and the people in their lives without feeling the need to change them. This gives them a very easy-going, live-and-let-live personality which others find enjoyable and freeing to be around. They believe in accepting everyone for who they already are, and they’re unlikely to push anyone to fit a particular mold. This doesn’t mean they never get irritated at other people’s differences, but they’re unlikely to dwell on it for long, instead focusing on how to make the best of who that person already is without alterations.

    Se-users are very hands-on people, and tend to be kinesthetic learners as children. They learn best by doing, and would rather just get right into something and work with it with their hands than read a manual or spend a lot of time in intense study. They have remarkable physical knowledge and the ability to grasp how things work as they feel them physically.

    While Se-users may not be the ones to grab a manual when they’re trying to fix something, they still love to collect facts. They are curious and excited by new and novel things. They often have a tremendous storehouse of facts on random subjects in their mind and they are always curious to know more. (this actually seems like a lot of INTPs I know of, the random facts on random subjects of choice, but they are Ne users)

    Se-users thrive on experiencing new sensory pleasures; new food, scenery, people, activities, adventures. Se-users trust their impulses and believe in enjoying life to the fullest. They love physical enjoyment, from good food to quality clothes, music, artwork, and even the beauties of nature. They believe life is to be grasped and enjoyed, not changed or altered. They often make fun-loving companions, gifted storytellers, and open-minded confidantes.
    New things that cannot be grasped or enjoyed by the senses are less interesting to Se-users; abstract ideas, theories, or existential conversations. Because Se-users are above all focused on what is real, focusing on theories and unproven, unseen possibilities can bore them.
    Se-Users prefer to live without a detailed plan, and hate to be micro-managed. They thrive on freedom and taking care of problems as they arise. Because they are less focus on what things “could” be or how things “should” be, they are able to fully enjoy all the blessings of the moment. When it comes to a crisis, Se-users are the best types to have on hand. They are quick to find solutions and take in the details around them, finding rapid ways to alter their surroundings to solve a problem or get out of a precarious situation. They fully believe that they will find solutions as problems arise, and don’t waste time worrying about negative possibilities. Worry is deemed wasteful and useless to the Se-user. They thrive on being fearless, brave, and optimistic.


    How the Extraverted Intuitive Thinks:

    Ne-users are driven by their inspirations and by intuitive visions of what could be. They have extremely active minds that are always giving them flashes of potential outcomes. Ne users are driven by intense bursts of energy and inspiration that push them forward like a flood, urging them to realize their visions. They find the world of possibilities and new innovations and adventures nearly irresistible in its pull. The only problem with this, is that once their vision is seen or believed in by other individuals they can often lose their interest in it and be driven by another new idea or possibility. While Judging types might consider the Ne-lifestyle fickle and ever-changing, it’s not to be looked down upon. Ne-users make sure that human inspirations are not wasted, that dreams see the light of day, and that possibilities are believed in. Walt Disney, an Ne-dominant personality type, conceived many more ideas than he ever built to completion, yet he was able to change the world and with his vision, and the help of other great minds, he was able to see many of his inspirations become a reality.

    Ne-dominants lives tend to be a series of projects; they live from one possibility to the next. Being their friend is sure to inspire you and open your mind to innovative new ideas. The Ne-users imagination is boundless and intensely creative. Oscar Wilde, Alduous Huxley, Hunter S. Thompson, J.R.R. Tolkien were all Ne-users who saw their imaginative visions come to life in their stories. Unlike Se-users, who see what “is” and have a very realistic, down-to-earth view of the world, Ne-users are driven by what “could be” and are rarely satisfied at leaving things as they are. Everything must be improved upon, everything must reach imaginative new heights.

    Ne-users are open-minded with their friends and loved ones. They enter relationships and friendships with a desire to be inspired and learn something new. They are slow to form conclusions or to judge anyone, and they’re always up for hearing a new perspective on something. They love discussing theories, plans, possibilities, and abstract ideas. They can enjoy a good debate and love long discussions about the endless opportunities and visions their intuition gives them.
    Ne-users are sometimes idealistic about their partners in relationships. Because they are so focused on the potential of everything, they can try to motivate their partners to try new things or reach new goals. This can be a very positive thing, but it can also be a negative thing if their partner feels like they are always being pushed to grow and are never okay just as they are.

    Ne-dominant personalities are known for being labeled ‘gifted’ in school. They tend to score above average on aptitude tests, but they perform middle-of-the-road in terms of grades.
    ENFPs sometimes struggle in school, because they need something that sparks their imagination to keep their mind focused on their studies. Rote bookwork and repetition is incredibly boring and frustrating for them to live with. Their minds wander to more imaginative pathways if they aren’t being stimulated by what their teachers are showing them. For this reason they sometimes are mislabeled as ADHD because they can have trouble paying attention in class if their teachers are more focused on repetition, memorization, and cold hard facts.

    I think reading this I am obviously Ne > Se.


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    I will bold what I relate to most, but will have to comment later.

    Quote Originally Posted by Betty Blue View Post
    Se

    Extraverted Sensors:
    – Are adaptable and easy-going
    – Are realistic and down-to-earth
    Are practical and matter-of-fact
    – Are excited by adventure and thrills
    – Live “in the moment” and prefer to focus on the here-and-now
    Are fond of concrete facts and are aware of details
    Learn best from hands-on experience
    – Seek stimulation by experiencing life in a hands-on, immersive way
    Have a “live and let live” mentality
    – Tend to be impulsive and trust their impulses
    – Are fun-loving and optimistic
    – Pride themselves on being bold, unconventional, and spontaneous
    Prize freedom
    See all the details around them


    Extraverted Intuitives:
    – Are always thinking of possibilities and what “could be”
    – Focus on the future much more than the present
    Are original and independent
    Love to start and initiate creative projects, but struggle with completing projects
    Work in bursts of impulsive energy
    – Hate routine
    Seek and trust inspiration and are willing to follow it anywhere.
    Tend to be enthusiastic and good with people
    – Love to inspire and motivate others
    Find hidden patterns, possibilities, and potentials
    – See so many alternatives that they can have trouble focusing on just one thing
    – Are open-minded and slow to form premature conclusions
    See things in impressions and focus on “the big picture”


    How the Extraverted Sensor Thinks:

    Extraverted sensors are some of the most realistic personality types. They see things as they are and accept facts readily, making the most of whatever situation they find themselves in. Where the Ne-user sees what “could be” and is always striving to see potential, the Se-user sees what “is” and tries to enjoy and use what they can in the moment. They are extremely observant and aware of all the details of their physical world, and often know how to maneuver throughout life in a graceful way [lol] because of their awareness.
    In language, Se-users are direct and concrete. They see little point in beating around the bush or rambling. They can quickly and practically evaluate situations and people to make sound estimations regarding their usefulness and abilities.

    Se-users enjoy the world, their surroundings, and the people in their lives without feeling the need to change them. This gives them a very easy-going, live-and-let-live personality which others find enjoyable and freeing to be around. They believe in accepting everyone for who they already are, and they’re unlikely to push anyone to fit a particular mold. This doesn’t mean they never get irritated at other people’s differences, but they’re unlikely to dwell on it for long, instead focusing on how to make the best of who that person already is without alterations.

    Se-users are very hands-on people, and tend to be kinesthetic learners as children. They learn best by doing, and would rather just get right into something and work with it with their hands than read a manual or spend a lot of time in intense study. They have remarkable physical knowledge and the ability to grasp how things work as they feel them physically.

    While Se-users may not be the ones to grab a manual when they’re trying to fix something, they still love to collect facts. They are curious and excited by new and novel things. They often have a tremendous storehouse of facts on random subjects in their mind and they are always curious to know more.

    Se-users thrive on experiencing new sensory pleasures; new food, scenery, people, activities, adventures. Se-users trust their impulses and believe in enjoying life to the fullest. They love physical enjoyment, from good food to quality clothes, music, artwork, and even the beauties of nature. They believe life is to be grasped and enjoyed, not changed or altered. They often make fun-loving companions, gifted storytellers, and open-minded confidantes.
    New things that cannot be grasped or enjoyed by the senses are less interesting to Se-users; abstract ideas, theories, or existential conversations. Because Se-users are above all focused on what is real, focusing on theories and unproven, unseen possibilities can bore them.
    Se-Users prefer to live without a detailed plan, and hate to be micro-managed. They thrive on freedom and taking care of problems as they arise. Because they are less focus on what things “could” be or how things “should” be, they are able to fully enjoy all the blessings of the moment. When it comes to a crisis, Se-users are the best types to have on hand. They are quick to find solutions and take in the details around them, finding rapid ways to alter their surroundings to solve a problem or get out of a precarious situation. They fully believe that they will find solutions as problems arise, and don’t waste time worrying about negative possibilities. Worry is deemed wasteful and useless to the Se-user. They thrive on being fearless, brave, and optimistic.


    How the Extraverted Intuitive Thinks:

    Ne-users are driven by their inspirations and by intuitive visions of what could be. They have extremely active minds that are always giving them flashes of potential outcomes [actually, I get flashes of potential outcomes from the past as much as the future] . Ne users are driven by intense bursts of energy and inspiration that push them forward like a flood, urging them to realize their visions. They find the world of possibilities and new innovations and adventures nearly irresistible in its pull. The only problem with this, is that once their vision is seen or believed in by other individuals they can often lose their interest in it and be driven by another new idea or possibility. While Judging types might consider the Ne-lifestyle fickle and ever-changing, it’s not to be looked down upon. Ne-users make sure that human inspirations are not wasted, that dreams see the light of day, and that possibilities are believed in. Walt Disney, an Ne-dominant personality type, conceived many more ideas than he ever built to completion, yet he was able to change the world and with his vision, and the help of other great minds, he was able to see many of his inspirations become a reality.

    Ne-dominants lives tend to be a series of projects; they live from one possibility to the next. Being their friend is sure to inspire you and open your mind to innovative new ideas. The Ne-users imagination is boundless and intensely creative. Oscar Wilde, Alduous Huxley, Hunter S. Thompson, J.R.R. Tolkien were all Ne-users who saw their imaginative visions come to life in their stories. Unlike Se-users, who see what “is” and have a very realistic, down-to-earth view of the world, Ne-users are driven by what “could be” and are rarely satisfied at leaving things as they are. Everything must be improved upon, everything must reach imaginative new heights.

    Ne-users are open-minded with their friends and loved ones. They enter relationships and friendships with a desire to be inspired and learn something new. They are slow to form conclusions or to judge anyone, and they’re always up for hearing a new perspective on something. They love discussing theories, plans, possibilities, and abstract ideas. They can enjoy a good debate and love long discussions about the endless opportunities and visions their intuition gives them.
    Ne-users are sometimes idealistic about their partners in relationships. Because they are so focused on the potential of everything, they can try to motivate their partners to try new things or reach new goals. This can be a very positive thing, but it can also be a negative thing if their partner feels like they are always being pushed to grow and are never okay just as they are.

    Ne-dominant personalities are known for being labeled ‘gifted’ in school. They tend to score above average on aptitude tests, but they perform middle-of-the-road in terms of grades.
    ENFPs sometimes struggle in school, because they need something that sparks their imagination to keep their mind focused on their studies. Rote bookwork and repetition is incredibly boring and frustrating for them to live with. Their minds wander to more imaginative pathways if they aren’t being stimulated by what their teachers are showing them. For this reason they sometimes are mislabeled as ADHD because they can have trouble paying attention in class if their teachers are more focused on repetition, memorization, and cold hard facts.

    [Actually, I have tuned out in class due to them taking too long to get around to the main points/facts, spending too much time in tangents and abstractions that it's clear we will not be using again. My sense of this has proven to be pretty accurate. If I can steal my headspace back, the temptation to do so is hard to resist, but in a way I do agree with those who would reprimand me for this - that this tendency is amoral and purely self-oriented. There are more reasons to be present than whether the content is necessary to myself, and I should look out for and consider them where I find them. You could say that I prefer and have confidence in my function that determines which information resonates with me and my goals, and that it is strong but is immature in the absence of a more human supporting function.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betty Blue View Post
    So what would you consider a good measure of evaluation?
    You will get the most unclouded results by educating yourself on the Jungian cognitive functions and self-evaluating. It is very easy to mistype when relying firsthand on dichotomies or stereotypes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notmyapples View Post
    You will get the most unclouded results by educating yourself on the Jungian cognitive functions and self-evaluating. It is very easy to mistype when relying firsthand on dichotomies or stereotypes.
    Nothing works better than introspection.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Betty Blue View Post
    Lol yes, but which ones? and which ones fit best? do any of the Se descriptions fit you at all?
    According to Jungian functions, Si fits me the most, followed by Te. @notmyapples has a point.

    According to MBTI, I would be an INTP, because it relies on personality trait descriptors.

    Extraverted Sensors:
    – Are adaptable and easy-going
    – Are realistic and down-to-earth
    – Are practical and matter-of-fact
    – Are excited by adventure and thrills
    – Live “in the moment” and prefer to focus on the here-and-now
    – Are fond of concrete facts and are aware of details
    – Learn best from hands-on experience
    – Seek stimulation by experiencing life in a hands-on, immersive way
    – Have a “live and let live” mentality
    Tend to be impulsive and trust their impulses
    – Are fun-loving and optimistic
    – Pride themselves on being bold, unconventional, and spontaneous
    Prize freedom
    – See all the details around them


    Extraverted Intuitives:
    Are always thinking of possibilities and what “could be”
    Focus on the future much more than the present
    – Are original and independent
    – Love to start and initiate creative projects, but struggle with completing projects (Me af)
    – Work in bursts of impulsive energy
    – Hate routine

    – Seek and trust inspiration and are willing to follow it anywhere.
    – Tend to be enthusiastic and good with people
    Love to inspire and motivate others
    Find hidden patterns, possibilities, and potentials
    – See so many alternatives that they can have trouble focusing on just one thing
    – Are open-minded and slow to form premature conclusions
    See things in impressions and focus on “the big picture” - or the long view
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    Quote Originally Posted by notmyapples View Post
    You will get the most unclouded results by educating yourself on the Jungian cognitive functions and self-evaluating. It is very easy to mistype when relying firsthand on dichotomies or stereotypes.
    The jungian cognitive function descriptions vary wildly from the mbti ones. could you post them?

    Be good to contrast these.
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