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N vs. T (amateur question)

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What is the difference between Intuition and Thinking? How can you distinguish when something is intuition, and not just thinking? I just realized this is a main road block in my understanding of the "functions"; even though it's been sitting in the back of my mind for a while, it only put itself clearly together in my head as a question a moment ago.

Edit: Hold on, it just occurred to me that this topic might have already been discussed. I guess I'll search while you guys think about it. :D
 
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Perception and judging, that's the diff.

You take in info with intuition, and make decisions with t'inkin'.
 

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Perception and judging, that's the diff.

You take in info with intuition, and make decisions with t'inkin'.
Oh. Incoming info vs. Outgoing info? Absorption vs. Application? Next is to think of scenarios...
 

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Perception and judging, that's the diff.

You take in info with intuition, and make decisions with t'inkin'.

well said. T and F are decision makers whereas N and S are for taking in information, introversion and extroversion are then how those modes are directed and handled (T and F).
 

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Now, if someone can give nice definitions for the difference between J and P, this will be a perfect little thread.
 

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Okay, there's some really good stuff in this thread dealing with what I'm looking for: http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/mbti-enneagram-other-personality-matrices/7262-doubting-n.html
About halfway down the first page, Nolla asked the same question I asked in the OP for this thread. Later Edahn responds that "Intuition is of course a thinking process". Now I have to discern which thinking processes are "intuition" and not the "thinking" meant by Te and Ti.

When I have a spare moment, I'm going to have to imagine how intuition works.
 
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Yeah, I don't get Intuition either, as in I don't get what it feels like to be one, and I don't get the snobbery.
 

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J -> making your decisions in "pen" meaning you typically dont change your decisions
P -> making your decisions in "pencil" meaning you typically make a decision but can go back and change it if need be

thats a quick and very dirty explaination
 

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J -> making your decisions in "pen" meaning you typically dont change your decisions
P -> making your decisions in "pencil" meaning you typically make a decision but can go back and change it if need be

thats a quick and very dirty explaination

That's the best one I've ever heard!
Thanks.
 

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you have 666 posts! creepy.

and thank you for the compliment and your welcome.
 

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Okay, cool. The other thread I linked to on the first page of this thread had some really good discussion on all this.

These seem to be important points:

Obviously, do not think of "intuition" in its common usage. Remember it as an MBTI function. Maybe you don't think it's the best name for it, but they had to call it something. In fact, the same is true about Thinking. It refers to a specific MBTI function, not exactly correlated to the everyday use of the word. So that's the terminology we use.

Keeping this in mind, it bothers me a lot less that N seems to be a mode/aspect of thinking; T is also a mode/aspect of thinking. From there, I guess the best help is to remember that N is perception, whereas T is judgment. The difference between those two is something I can grasp a lot more readily.
 

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N is a way of perception (that might be the wrong word) and T is a way of decision making. E and I are the direction you do both and J and P are what direct the introversion and extroversion.

EDIT:

Please Understand Me Part II by David Keirsey might help you. At least better than i can at 7 oclock in the morning lol.
 

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What is the difference between Intuition and Thinking? How can you distinguish when something is intuition, and not just thinking? I just realized this is a main road block in my understanding of the "functions"; even though it's been sitting in the back of my mind for a while, it only put itself clearly together in my head as a question a moment ago.

Edit: Hold on, it just occurred to me that this topic might have already been discussed. I guess I'll search while you guys think about it. :D

Intuition (unconscious) -- stuff like pattern recognition, making connections between things, inductive/inferential leaps, metaphor in general (I've actually defined it as metaphor before)

Thinking (conscious) -- deduction, ends with "true" or "false" -- takes information and checks for consistency (internal for Ti, external for Te)
 

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well said. T and F are decision makers whereas N and S are for taking in information, introversion and extroversion are then how those modes are directed and handled (T and F).

If your first mode/function/whatever you call it, is Introverted, is the second one automatically Extroverted and vise versa?

I know this is basic stuff..
 

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Bella, I always refer to these charts. Look near the bottom of the page on this link: Cognitive Processes A little above that is a chart that tries to explain how each "function" works. Still leaves it a little cloudy to me, concerning which processes fall under which "function" use.

People say that we use the top two a lot, the 3rd and 4th sometimes, and bottom half hardly ever (it's our "Mr. Hyde", in a way).
 
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Bella, I always refer to these charts. Look near the bottom of the page on this link: Cognitive Processes A little above that is a chart that tries to explain how each "function" works. Still leaves it a little cloudy to me, concerning which processes fall under which "function" use.

People say that we use the top two a lot, the 3rd and 4th sometimes, and bottom half hardly ever (it's our "Mr. Hyde", in a way).

Okay, thank you. That was very helpful. I think I stared at it for ten minutes.
 

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What is the difference between Intuition and Thinking? How can you distinguish when something is intuition, and not just thinking? I just realized this is a main road block in my understanding of the "functions"; even though it's been sitting in the back of my mind for a while, it only put itself clearly together in my head as a question a moment ago.

Edit: Hold on, it just occurred to me that this topic might have already been discussed. I guess I'll search while you guys think about it. :D

I think of intuition as moving laterally with what you perceive and thinking as defining what you perceive.
 

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My humble definition: A group of people working together towards a goal, with each person having his own assignment.
 
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