Something to consider - F vs T

[Xander]

T - Everyone should be treated fairly.
F - Everyone should be treated as an individual.

What say you?

 

[Haight]

X - Everyone should be treated fairly individually.

 

[Xander]

X - Everyone should be treated fairly individually.

And you still list your type as INTP?

 

[Athenian200]

T - Everyone should be treated fairly.
F - Everyone should be treated as an individual.

What say you?

What about situations in which not treating someone as an individual would be unfair?

 

[Jack Flak]

F, imo, is more "Everyone should be treated well." Not to say it's 100% accurate.

 

[Xander]

Just a side note, these aren't my definitions. I found them in the introduction to MBTI that I'm re-reading. If the book is to be believed the definitions are Ms Isabel's.

 

[Xander]

What about situations in which not treating someone as an individual would be unfair?

Errmmm ... you panic?



I think that neither is ever intended as a maxim and nor are they supposed to be mutually exclusive. Yet again with T & F the two cross over quite a lot.

 

[Athenian200]

Errmmm ... you panic?



I think that neither is ever intended as a maxim and nor are they supposed to be mutually exclusive. Yet again with T & F the two cross over quite a lot.

Ah, I see. I suppose my behavior isn't that unusual, then. I would probably treat acquaintances and strangers fairly. But good friends, as well as enemies, get treated as individuals (to totally different ends, of course).

Of course, there's overlap after this, since I still apply my sense of what's fair to some degree with friends in tense/conflict situations, and sometimes pay attention to an individuals needs even if I don't know them.

That's quite a mess, isn't it?

 

[Xander]

Ah, I see. I suppose my behavior isn't that unusual, then. I would probably treat acquaintances and strangers fairly. But good friends, as well as enemies, get treated as individuals (to totally different ends, of course).

Of course, there's overlap after this, since I still apply my sense of what's fair to some degree with friends in tense/conflict situations, and sometimes pay attention to an individuals needs even if I don't know them.

That's quite a mess, isn't it?

Odd. I read it more as Ts treat people according to principles where each person is measured against a reasonable and reasoned target or maxim where as Fs treat people against measures that lie either within that person or the culture as a whole.

Perhaps that's F vs T reading it?

 

[Nocapszy]

Why does anyone even write books about type?

 

[Xander]

Why does anyone even write books about type?

Cause they find it interesting and hope you do too. Is there ever any other reason?

 

[Athenian200]

Odd. I read it more as Ts treat people according to principles where each person is measured against a reasonable and reasoned target or maxim where as Fs treat people against measures that lie either within that person or the culture as a whole.

Perhaps that's F vs T reading it?

I'm a little mixed up here. Read what as more what?

Those descriptions weren't even in the original definitions... where did that come from? I mean, I suppose it does make sense to say that Ts and Fs treat people the way you say, but... how is any of this related to what I said?

 

[Xander]

I'm a little mixed up here. Read what as more what?

Those descriptions weren't even in the original definitions... where did that come from? I mean, I suppose it does make sense to say that Ts and Fs treat people the way you say, but... how is any of this related to what I said?

Sorry I'm being a little obtuse.

Your reaction was firstly about who each applies to, my friends get more effort and hence I engage the T process where as strangers only get what I can most easily afford. Where as I was firstly looking into the principles and only thinking about ther personal angle after you brought it up.

Oh and those descriptions are illustrations of the differences between the preferences as written in "An Introduction to the MBTI" (least I think that's it... details).

 

[Jack Flak]

Why does anyone even write books about type?

What's the answer to 99 out of 100 questions? Money.

 

[Xander]

What's the answer to 99 out of 100 questions? Money.

That'd be unusual me thinks. Interest first and money second. Why write about paint peeling if you can write about the love of your life?

I should mention that my father is one of these people and at the rate he's going me and my sister are the only one's who'll be benefiting!

 

[Nocapszy]

Cause they find it interesting and hope you do too. Is there ever any other reason?

But if it's so simple, how can they make it into a book?
Seems like someone's got to be wrong here...

 

[Bella]

Would an example be the following: Someone that was seriously emotionaly damaged during childhood commits murder. T wants him to get the death penalty, F wants him to live and be rehabilitated because it's sort of not his fault. ?

 

[Xander]

But if it's so simple, how can they make it into a book?
Seems like someone's got to be wrong here...

The principles of it are simple, the implications complex. Hence shadows and stuff.

Let's face it, according to some neurons are all we have... 1s and 0s. How can ANYTHING be that complex?

Would an example be the following: Someone that was seriously emotionaly damaged during childhood commits murder. T wants him to get the death penalty, F wants him to live and be rehabilitated because it's sort of not his fault. ?

That sounds about right. I think...

 

[Bella]

I'll have to go with justice then.

 

[Xander]

I'll have to go with justice then.

That's the thing though.. which one's that? I think the one you consider most just is indicative of what type you are.