What use is Ti?

[entropie]

One that takes 3 days to work on his phrasing so I don't burst into tears when I get his feedback...

yeah but thats not Ti, thats narcism

 

[edcoaching]

That's Fe, hahaha.

Well, he's been working hard at it since his divorce

 

[edcoaching]

yeah but thats not Ti, thats narcism

his or mine

 

[Nocapszy]

LOL. Te users may not understand, as their thinking is inherently about practicality.

All Thinking is about practicality.

Ti and Te are precisely the same device. Te uses objects to make plans and/or measurements, Ti uses subjects.

That is, Te will use conventional metrics like inches or meters, Ti will prefer to 'eyeball' it.
Te is more exacting in that way.

Te would quicker latch itself onto a project already in the works. Many are deceived by the entrepreneurial nature Te types often appear to have, when actually they've started nothing, only made a venture into a system that was already present -- look around for this ANYYWHERE on Wall st. and you're sure to find it. On the same 'business' scheme - a Te who has low esteem for their introverted perception will likely not start a business, and choose instead to commandeer a business, as it is ultimately far more efficient than building a new one, contrasted by the one who values his perceptions, will more often than not be disgusted by whatever system he finds himself in, and be driven to design another.

I will never get over Steve Jobs' amazing rendition of the ENTJ.



Ti uses information about the objects to decide what to do based on the individial's plan and goals.

Someone's goal might be to play a good metal show. Ti will decide just where to put your fingers on the fretboard, just where to strum etc.
Slash is a good example of this. ISTP isn't just good at analyzing mechanics. Ti orchestrates countless unnamed bits of minutia to form a singular ensemble, or so the Thinker would have himself, and, especially in E_TPs, his audience believe.


They really are the same. They both just use logic. Depending on the orientation, you're bound to get different results, but ultimately, the deciding is done by finding the most logical solution to a 'problem'.


Just the same, Ni and Ne are the identical mechanisms, as are Si-Se and Fi-Fe.

 

[Jack Flak]

Well, he's been working hard at it since his divorce

I'll bet he has, if you take my meaning.

 

[entropie]

his or mine

Dear God,

never mind.

Sincerely your puppet

 

[redacted]

You can't really divorce Fe from Ti. Nor can you divorce Te from Fi. They're completely dependent on each other.

 

[Jack Flak]

You can't really divorce Fe from Ti. Nor can you divorce Te from Fi. They're completely dependent on each other.

I divorced from Fe years ago, but it still stalks me. Restraining order and everything...

 

[Nocapszy]

You can't really divorce Fe from Ti. Nor can you divorce Te from Fi. They're completely dependent on each other.

Say what?

 

[entropie]

You can't really divorce Fe from Ti. Nor can you divorce Te from Fi. They're completely dependent on each other.

Sure they are buddy *thumbs up*

 

[edcoaching]

You can't really divorce Fe from Ti. Nor can you divorce Te from Fi. They're completely dependent on each other.

You really need to meet some of the executives I coach.

 

[entropie]

Now we just need an INFJ who calls himself the Führer of this thread xD

 

[redacted]

All Thinking is about practicality.

...

They really are the same. They both just use logic. Depending on the orientation, you're bound to get different results, but ultimately, the deciding is done by finding the most logical solution to a 'problem'.


Just the same, Ni and Ne are the identical mechanisms, as are Si-Se and Fi-Fe.

True. I didn't mean Ti wasn't practical, I just meant that Ti isn't focused on tangible practicality (I think the word tangible is somewhat implied in the connotation of practicality, but I could be wrong).

Te and Ti are pretty much the same. Thinking is really just one function. The spectrum of introversion to extroversion is the spectrum of tangibility to depth. Ti checks an idea against itself, Te checks an idea against the world.

 

[redacted]

You really need to meet some of the executives I coach.

What do you mean?

 

[entropie]

I am off for the night, the last beer was poisoned

gn8 jack

 

[edcoaching]

What do you mean?

They really do manage to make decisions without any consideration of impact on people/community values/etc.--or carry them out in ways that completely destroy any hope of buy-in.

Yes, they're immature and unhealthy, not normally developed Thinking types. That's why their team is in trouble and why I get called in...

 

[redacted]

How can one be motivated to think without feeling okaying the idea? Feeling does not necessarily mean considering others. It just means value judgments. Fe doesn't have to care about others, it just looks to the environment for validation.

Similar question: How can one use intuition without sensory data?

 

[entropie]

gn8 dissonance aswell

 

[Jack Flak]

Ich glaube, das ist Deutschland sieben Stunden später...Gute Nacht!

 

[Nocapszy]

True. I didn't mean Ti wasn't practical, I just meant that Ti isn't focused on tangible practicality (I think the word tangible is somewhat implied in the connotation of practicality, but I could be wrong).

Te and Ti are pretty much the same. Thinking is really just one function. The spectrum of introversion to extroversion is the spectrum of tangibility to depth. Ti checks an idea against itself, Te checks an idea against the world.

I really think you have a poor understanding of the dynamic between subject and object.