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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackout View Post
    I almost wonder if the MBTI just doesn't fit certain people all together very well.
    Yeah, I've sometimes wondered this as well. I'm almost certain I've switched from INTP to ISFP and back at several points in my lifetime. It's not just a minor change, it's a complete inversion of my personality. It's caused me great distress in some cases because for a while after the switch happens, I have trouble identifying with my own ego. I literally feel like a different person, almost like I'm being possessed or something.
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    Don't underestimate genetics and environmental factors the first 3-4 years in one's life. I think this determines roughly 90% of who we are.

    Eventhough our brains are very flexible, I've never seen a drastic personality change in anyone I've known. I often use the saying 'people don't change'. Unless you're talking brain seizures or other severe traumas.
    I think people can drastically change their attitude (for better or worse) but not their type.
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    Considering idiotic statements such as "I am weird" can be seen on so-called type tests, I think it's safe to say one could change their type as often as they take a piss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smilephantomhive View Post
    This reads more like one explanation of how personality changes could be explained even assuming that type doesn't change, rather than as an explanation of why type cannot change.
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    Ah, but it isn't in a way that he thought type was fluid, you could change your mind about someone later in your life. He was never sure if he himself were an INTP or INFJ/INTJ .
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    "The topic of personal identity is strictly speaking nonexistent. It’s important to recognize that we are not the kind of things that simply popped into existence at birth, continue to exist, the same thing, then die off the cliff edge or go into another realm. We are these very remarkably ordered collections of things. It is because we’re so ordered that we are able to think of ourselves as being singular persons. But there is no singular person there, that means we’re forever changing.” - Julian Baggini: The Ego Trick: In Search of the Self
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    What I have seen is that people tend to cycle through different functions in patterns that usually roughly fit a particular type. I think the difference between this perspective on type and the way that Jung classically framed it is little more than different framing, a matter of semantics. I also think that perhaps Nardi did not factor this fluctuation within type development thoroughly enough when drawing conclusions on his data.
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    I think the majority of people who enforce this belief are NTs who like to believe that anyone they dislike is an INFP and cannot possibly be anything else.
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    I recall reading somewhere that one's Jungian "type" is set by the age of five. I have no empirical evidence to support this position at the moment, but I can say this. I self-typed as an INTJ from the age of 19 until the age 47. Cultural bias tells men they must be T. My insecurities made me look and feel like an I. Once I actually discovered that I was an ENFJ, however, and once I thoroughly reviewed and examined my actual behavior throughout my life (as opposed to my self-image and/or the "mask" I wore when I engaged with others and the world), it became clear to me that my behavior has always matched the behavior that Socionics, at least, predicts as typical for an ENFj. I had been deceiving myself about who I truly was for many years.

    Cognitive functions, it appears to me, based upon my own, personal experience, seem to become hard-wired at an early age. I was always a performer, even as a young child. I can remember my grandmother telling me, "You were always the cutest child," and other relatives also have shared stories of my "performances" as a young person. I remain, in essence, a "performer" to this day.
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    Because people like certainty ... even if it doesn't exist in the real world.
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