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    I pretty much agree with @PeaceBaby.

    When I read the thread title, without having even skimmed other peoples' responses, my initial response without thinking about it was 'No'.

    I'm sure most people (?) have thought about what it would be like to suddenly be transplanted into someone elses' consciousness, experience it, live it for a short time, witness it, see/'think'/'perceive' the way they do.... and I am pretty sure all of us would be completely *overwhelmed* with the experience, humbled, just knocked over flat -- the other persons' window to the world would probably just be so utterly different from ours in so many ways -- even the seemingly tiny minute ways might expand into something much bigger. So no, I've never remotely thought I can 'truly KNOW' another. To TRULY KNOW them would be to BE them. imo.
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    I don't even think I truly know myself, let alone another. I'd imagine it'd be boring if this was possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudpatrol View Post
    You know I admire your avoidance of verbiage. I want to make sure I caught your train of thought tho. Are you referring here to knowing one's SELF?
    No, Porto. If ya gonna deliberately ingest poison, might as well be the good stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudpatrol View Post
    I frequently get asked IRL if I am an INFJ and sometimes test out as one. My friends who are into this schtuff are undecided. I relate a bit more to INFP MBTI/Socionic descriptors but see J correlations in other aspects of typing. I think that I know why I have adopted more of the logical and rational aspects of J, but feel private about it for now.

    So = no. I am not sure and am always open to feedback and the possibility of changing a long held belief if the appropriate evidence is presented.
    No we haven't "met" before so hi there. I just came across your post and felt like replying. I'm so sorry to hear about your loss. I didn't know.

    Yes. That is why I mentioned being authentic. I have had people worry that I am being deceptive when holding back and it is SO not the case. As you said, I sometimes can’t give more at that moment even if I desire to. But, I would never withhold pertinent information or BE anything other than > real. I want to be accepted/loved ‘warts and all’ so might as well show em’…
    I guess some people would misread such things easily. I have to commend your healthy attitude. I'm not sure why its so hard to find people who are on the same page and understand and accept you for who you are. But that is probably something we NFs desire most in a relationship.

    I find it hard to understand how people would be undecided between INFJ and INFP. I'm not saying you couldn't be by any means but talking in general about the J/P set. To my understanding the J/P dichotomy shouldn't be treated as a dichotomy, but rather more black and white direction of the functions. It is probably as defining as the functional letters, leaving the E/I dichotomy as the most vague and least affecting. INFJ have Ni Fe Ti Se and INFP have Fi Ne Si Te, which to me seems very different since the Dom and Aux (and tert + inf naturally) are reversed. Of course some people might seem more judging and that can derive from many aspects of life like you said, ex. habituation. From reading your texts you intuitively seem INFP, but who am I to say anything about that, lol. I would look into some function tests, which you probably have. They were an eye opener for me.

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    You know, you raise some very interesting points, @Cloudpatrol, and I do believe that we as humans do get to know each other in time. A lot of us hold a part of ourselves, until a drastic life happenstance occurs, such as a death within their social circle or family, terminal illness, losing a home, or other traumatizing experiences, and it is then that we are stripped of our masks. Even the most private INxx types soon crack and need to speak their most private thoughts to others; you know that most secrets are often spilled this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    So no, I've never remotely thought I can 'truly KNOW' another. To TRULY KNOW them would be to BE them. imo.
    I totally agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExNinjaTropPervertie View Post
    One more absinthe et qu'ça saute ! The english version ? Forget it !

    "Tea for two and two for tea............"
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    I pretty much agree with @PeaceBaby.

    When I read the thread title, without having even skimmed other peoples' responses, my initial response without thinking about it was 'No'.

    I'm sure most people (?) have thought about what it would be like to suddenly be transplanted into someone elses' consciousness, experience it, live it for a short time, witness it, see/'think'/'perceive' the way they do.... and I am pretty sure all of us would be completely *overwhelmed* with the experience, humbled, just knocked over flat -- the other persons' window to the world would probably just be so utterly different from ours in so many ways -- even the seemingly tiny minute ways might expand into something much bigger. So no, I've never remotely thought I can 'truly KNOW' another. To TRULY KNOW them would be to BE them. imo.
    The bolded (particularly your last line) blew open my synapses to expanded thinking. Really valuable insight - thanks for taking the time to provide your thoughts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duffy View Post
    I don't even think I truly know myself, let alone another. I'd imagine it'd be boring if this was possible.

    Yeah, as much as I value connection I also value mystery and the process of continual discovery as well I liked both of your points @Duffy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by phobik View Post
    No, Porto. If ya gonna deliberately ingest poison, might as well be the good stuff.
    Ha! Not a habitual indulger but an occasional poison ingester, yes

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