[MBTI General] Possibly of a NI-Ti/Ti-Ni Loop?

[BeyondTheGrey]

Yesterday I was brought back into awareness of the possibility of being in an Ni-Ti loop.

It might be a long post. I'm going to share an example and what it feels like.
I might even use Ti to justify my baseless actions and form theories about the loop.

Anyway. I had a really long conversation with my father yesterday.
Not sure what type he is.

Apparently my grandmother's sister passed away and I was struggling to understand the whole concept of attending a funeral.
To me, if someone is dead, they're dead. There's no point in showing emotion for the dead.
My father told me we had to go and visit the family to console them etc,
I didn't understand why.
I was connecting everything finding out what lied beyond them, meaning, and equated them to zero.

I didn't see the need to interact and I intentionally had my feeling valve turned off (for years now).
He then had an issue with my antisocial tendencies.
Told me that I had to contribute to society somehow and always have to make sure others feel better.
I questioned it. I guess I used Ti to justify my need for isolation.
Used it to justify my inability to feel,
I told him, If they're sad, let them settle it themselves.

That just made things worse. I didn't really care, nor did i see it as something important to me.

Anyway, long story short,
he told me Ive been spending too much of my time alone,
that I lack compassion.
Lack external opinions and exposure.
Thinking in loops and jumping to odd conclusions.

He also reminded me of a time when I was compassionate and understood others, helping to motivate them.
I don't even remember that.

Personally, I find social interaction to be a waste of my time.
I can still socialise though. I have social skills but I feel emotionally dry.
Times I feel refreshed is when Im around people and they pass off their feelings.
Like a friend of mine told me about something he was feeling sad about, I felt sad, yet alive.

Its that contrast between wanting to be alone and needing an emotional connection with the external world.
Nowadays, I spend my time questioning whatever is out there and deconstructing it and justifying its worthlessness.

I know I have a lot more to say, I just can't remember how to say it effectively.
Let me know if you can relate..

 

[Duffy]

Apparently my grandmother's sister passed away and I was struggling to understand the whole concept of attending a funeral.
To me, if someone is dead, they're dead. There's no point in showing emotion for the dead.
My father told me we had to go and visit the family to console them etc,
I didn't understand why.

A funeral is more for the living than the dead. I don't see a problem in attending it, to pay respects, acknowledge a loss.

 

[BeyondTheGrey]

A funeral is more for the living than the dead. I don't see a problem in attending it, to pay respects, acknowledge a loss.

Uh, yeah, I know.. Im going actually. I still go, but I don't see any point in it anymore.
I dislike it, but ill still go.

 

[BeyondTheGrey]

SO yes, i went for the funeral. Paid respects and all and felt rather overwhelmed. I wanted to console them.. but at the same time I just couldnt.
I intentionally turned off my feelings.. i know this because physically, i was so overwhelmed i was actually shaking. Not that intensely, but enough for me to be aware of.

Its like I want to be alone. BUT i rely on emotional connections to help me get better.

 

[BeyondTheGrey]

Ignored...

 

[JocktheMotie]

It sounds like a loop.

You mention feeling refreshed with real connection. I would try to seek that out, with a close friend in a setting that is private and not polluted by any kind of expectation. A scenario like a Funeral is alive with many feelings but there's also a layer of superficiality to them which I think often interferes with genuine sympathy and emotional exchange (also, if Ti is overactive it will seize on that superficiality and enforce its attitude on your perspective of the scenario).

 

[SearchingforPeace]

Having lived in a Ni Ti loop for years, it sucks. Get out as soon as you can.

Attempting to shut off connection and feeling only results in putting them out of your conscious mind. It doesn’t actually stop you from feeling.

It is difficult to accept pain from connections. But it is a path of growth. Pain is not your enemy. It is information. Investigate it. Find the message.

I highly recommend developing Fe, even it feels forced at first....

 

[Poki]

As a dom Ti after reading your posts, I can tell you that this is something learned to pass off to another function, not toTi. Ti can be a life saver or destroy the world just like any other function. We have to learn what the best way is to use each function for positive and not for rationalization or pushing ignorance. Ti can process things in support of self, in support of others, in support of whatever the hell it wants. As a dom Ti I am well aware consciously of what Ti is capable of at all angles. Sometimes you do just have to shut it off and experience and live irregardless of what it says.

Piece of advise, try to be aware of your current state and how it controls us as people. Only then can you actually be in control of yourself anD decide if you wanna breAK the path that tate leads down. Without that knowledge the world around you controls you.

 

[typologyenthusiast]

Proponent of the loop theory seem to take it for granted that an introverted perceptive functions can work in conjunction with introvert judging function. This position should be questioned. At least, what I know, this doesn't seem to follow Jung anymore.