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    Quote Originally Posted by reckful View Post
    Myers thought NT/NF/ST/SF was the most meaningful way to divide the types into four groups.

    The second edition of the MBTI Manual (which she co-authored) described the STs as "the practical and matter-of-fact types"; and in Gifts Differing, Myers said:

    That same edition of the Manual described SFs as "the sympathetic and friendly types"; and in Gifts Differing, Myers said:
    Ah, very informative. Thanks for the info! never knew.

    Do any STs/SFs wanna jump in?

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    TBH I don't know why they started being listed as SP and SJ, to begin with. I get the whole Si vs. Se thing, but in that case why not split the Ns into NJ and NP?

    Anecdotal side note: I've always related more to ESTPs than ESFJs.
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    Re: the OP, I'd definitely say STs are the "cut the crap, suck it up, get it done, and do it now" types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    Ah, very informative. Thanks for the info! never knew.

    Do any STs/SFs wanna jump in?

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    I'd rather they type via temperaments; i.e. EJ/EP/IP/IJ because they are more similar. An ISTP is going to be largely different from an ISTJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Conduit View Post
    I prefer grouping by dominant functions myself.

    So:

    ITP
    ETJ
    IFP
    EFJ
    ESP
    ISJ
    ENP
    INJ

    I know this doesn't solve or answer the temperament issue, and yes, I realize that some of the types which share dominant functions have very little in common temperamentally.
    Yeah I agree with this. I find 1st/2nd function groupings to be much more useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vetani View Post
    I'd rather they type via temperaments; i.e. EJ/EP/IP/IJ because they are more similar. An ISTP is going to be largely different from an ISTJ.
    Oh yeah, I'm quite fond of these temperaments too. I love my fellow EPs. That said, @EJCC has said she relates to ESTP more than ESFJ. And I can imagine quite a few ISTJs and INFJs not relating to each other at all. But I guess there really is no winning when it comes to trying to establish these groupings. That said, I prefer NF/NT/SF/ST or EP/EJ/IP/IJ to the temperaments we have now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuzzy Conduit View Post
    I prefer grouping by dominant functions myself.

    So:

    ITP
    ETJ
    IFP
    EFJ
    ESP
    ISJ
    ENP
    INJ

    I know this doesn't solve or answer the temperament issue, and yes, I realize that some of the types which share dominant functions have very little in common temperamentally.
    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Yeah I agree with this. I find 1st/2nd function groupings to be much more useful.
    But then it's not as cool and organized as having the two letter groupings. haha

    I get what you guys mean though. I'm sure @johnnyyukon and I could go back and forth for ages with all the Ne. But definitely grouping by second function is very useful to (obviously I relate to ESFP a lot since I typed as it for a brief moment).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    But then it's not as cool and organized as having the two letter groupings. haha

    I get what you guys mean though. I'm sure @johnnyyukon and I could go back and forth for ages with all the Ne. But definitely grouping by second function is very useful to (obviously I relate to ESFP a lot since I typed as it for a brief moment).
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    But then it's not as cool and organized as having the two letter groupings. haha

    I get what you guys mean though. I'm sure @johnnyyukon and I could go back and forth for ages with all the Ne. But definitely grouping by second function is very useful to (obviously I relate to ESFP a lot since I typed as it for a brief moment).
    I do think SJ/SP/NJ/NP and ST/SF/NT/NF groupings are more useful and accessible to n00bs. It would be a terrible idea to throw function theory at people as soon as they take the test! And I think they all have their uses.
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