# Thread: Best basic guide to Cognitive Functions

1. @valaki

The fence building problem was one websites approach to define how each function would act when approached with the task of building a fence. It goes like this:

Ne - I want to design the fence

Ni - Why do they want to do this and what is the deal with fences anyway? Is this necessary?

Se - I want to decorate the fence and make sure that it looks stylish and appealing

Si - I’ll take care of looking at the instructions and making sure that we follow the established guidelines

Te - Is doing this cost effective? Will it be useful?

Ti - I want to analyze the structure and placement of the fence

Fe - How will it affect the neighborhood, and what will the neighbors think?

Fi - I want it to be my own special fence that I can share with others over time

Reading over it today I think there are some errors they've made in the simplification of the functions - namely, this is one cause why I never identified with Se and so strongly with Ne. But merh. If I care so badly for people to get "right" information I should host my own material :P

2. My Fe is building the fence because of the neighbors.

3. Originally Posted by superunknown
@valaki

The fence building problem was one websites approach to define how each function would act when approached with the task of building a fence. It goes like this:

Ne - I want to design the fence

Ni - Why do they want to do this and what is the deal with fences anyway? Is this necessary?

Se - I want to decorate the fence and make sure that it looks stylish and appealing

Si - I’ll take care of looking at the instructions and making sure that we follow the established guidelines

Te - Is doing this cost effective? Will it be useful?

Ti - I want to analyze the structure and placement of the fence

Fe - How will it affect the neighborhood, and what will the neighbors think?

Fi - I want it to be my own special fence that I can share with others over time

Reading over it today I think there are some errors they've made in the simplification of the functions - namely, this is one cause why I never identified with Se and so strongly with Ne. But merh. If I care so badly for people to get "right" information I should host my own material :P
The Ni one is so god damn accurate that it's terrifying.

4. Originally Posted by superunknown
@valaki

The fence building problem was one websites approach to define how each function would act when approached with the task of building a fence. It goes like this:

Ne - I want to design the fence

Ni - Why do they want to do this and what is the deal with fences anyway? Is this necessary?

Se - I want to decorate the fence and make sure that it looks stylish and appealing

Si - I’ll take care of looking at the instructions and making sure that we follow the established guidelines

Te - Is doing this cost effective? Will it be useful?

Ti - I want to analyze the structure and placement of the fence

Fe - How will it affect the neighborhood, and what will the neighbors think?

Fi - I want it to be my own special fence that I can share with others over time

Reading over it today I think there are some errors they've made in the simplification of the functions - namely, this is one cause why I never identified with Se and so strongly with Ne. But merh. If I care so badly for people to get "right" information I should host my own material :P
Why is it that, according to this, Fi just seems like a crudely specialized version of Ne?

5. Originally Posted by superunknown

The fence building problem was one websites approach to define how each function would act when approached with the task of building a fence. It goes like this:

Ne - I want to design the fence

Ni - Why do they want to do this and what is the deal with fences anyway? Is this necessary?

Se - I want to decorate the fence and make sure that it looks stylish and appealing

Si - I’ll take care of looking at the instructions and making sure that we follow the established guidelines

Te - Is doing this cost effective? Will it be useful?

Ti - I want to analyze the structure and placement of the fence

Fe - How will it affect the neighborhood, and what will the neighbors think?

Fi - I want it to be my own special fence that I can share with others over time

Reading over it today I think there are some errors they've made in the simplification of the functions - namely, this is one cause why I never identified with Se and so strongly with Ne. But merh. If I care so badly for people to get "right" information I should host my own material :P
True, I would rather design the fence. I would probably be Ne, Se Ti, Te about fence making.

6. Originally Posted by superunknown
@valaki

The fence building problem was one websites approach to define how each function would act when approached with the task of building a fence. It goes like this:

Ne - I want to design the fence

Ni - Why do they want to do this and what is the deal with fences anyway? Is this necessary?

Se - I want to decorate the fence and make sure that it looks stylish and appealing

Si - I’ll take care of looking at the instructions and making sure that we follow the established guidelines

Te - Is doing this cost effective? Will it be useful?

Ti - I want to analyze the structure and placement of the fence

Fe - How will it affect the neighborhood, and what will the neighbors think?

Fi - I want it to be my own special fence that I can share with others over time

Reading over it today I think there are some errors they've made in the simplification of the functions - namely, this is one cause why I never identified with Se and so strongly with Ne. But merh. If I care so badly for people to get "right" information I should host my own material :P
It's funny, my first response is always "...Why? Do we need this?" but then "I think we don't. I'm going to think of something better." And then I like to explore ingenius ideas to do it in ways which are more environmentally friendly and cost effective. For like 10 minutes and then I run off and listen to music.

7. Originally Posted by superunknown
@valaki

The fence building problem was one websites approach to define how each function would act when approached with the task of building a fence. It goes like this:

Ne - I want to design the fence

Ni - Why do they want to do this and what is the deal with fences anyway? Is this necessary?

Se - I want to decorate the fence and make sure that it looks stylish and appealing

Si - I’ll take care of looking at the instructions and making sure that we follow the established guidelines

Te - Is doing this cost effective? Will it be useful?

Ti - I want to analyze the structure and placement of the fence

Fe - How will it affect the neighborhood, and what will the neighbors think?

Fi - I want it to be my own special fence that I can share with others over time

Reading over it today I think there are some errors they've made in the simplification of the functions - namely, this is one cause why I never identified with Se and so strongly with Ne. But merh. If I care so badly for people to get "right" information I should host my own material :P
So im Ne Ni Ti Te and Fe?

8. Originally Posted by valaki
It was a rhetorical question.

I was more implying that the processes are not only complex but organized in a different way than assumed by most MBTI fans including the creator of MBTI .
MBTIs mode of personality isnt the complete jungian model, its just some stuff that myers and briggs saw important in what they aimed their test to function in.

Whats this your "true" function organization of functions that is different from MBTI? Also do you even know how MBTI really organizes the functions(most people dont, even tho they think they do)?

9. Originally Posted by superunknown
@valaki

The fence building problem was one websites approach to define how each function would act when approached with the task of building a fence.
What's the exact situation where you are being asked to build a fence? Why am I supposed to build this? Am I going to get money or something else for doing the task?

These are what came first to mind.

It goes like this:

Ne - I want to design the fence

Ni - Why do they want to do this and what is the deal with fences anyway? Is this necessary?

Se - I want to decorate the fence and make sure that it looks stylish and appealing

Si - I’ll take care of looking at the instructions and making sure that we follow the established guidelines

Te - Is doing this cost effective? Will it be useful?

Ti - I want to analyze the structure and placement of the fence

Fe - How will it affect the neighborhood, and what will the neighbors think?

Fi - I want it to be my own special fence that I can share with others over time
Guess then my response of "why" is closest to the Ni one huh? Or me requiring the exact situation first, before really giving an answer, what's that? Se? And the part about what I get in return, what's that? Te? :p

From the stock answers here, I guess I'm closest to Ni and Ti. Se too but only if I care for a reason, however I wouldn't be doing the decoration myself, I would only make the decisions about its appearance. So that's why I was asking about the exact situation because it depends.

Reading over it today I think there are some errors they've made in the simplification of the functions - namely, this is one cause why I never identified with Se and so strongly with Ne. But merh. If I care so badly for people to get "right" information I should host my own material :P
How do you determine "right"?

EDIT: btw, I'm not trying to be antagonistic with you. Just wanted to know what you mean by "right". I do encourage you to host your own material if you think it's a good idea.

Originally Posted by INTP
MBTIs mode of personality isnt the complete jungian model, its just some stuff that myers and briggs saw important in what they aimed their test to function in.
And the jungian theory of functions isn't the complete jungian model.

Whats this your "true" function organization of functions that is different from MBTI?
Who said I had one personally?

It's simple. Compare conclusions drawn from dealing with MBTI stuff to conclusions coming from science of psychology.

(I do have my own thoughts on these matters but it's not something I can just start spreading as something definitely better than anything else. Best I can give at this point is contradictions noted from observations.)

Also do you even know how MBTI really organizes the functions(most people dont, even tho they think they do)?
Whatever's on http://www.myersbriggs.org/. Do you disagree with that?

10. Originally Posted by valaki
And the jungian theory of functions isn't the complete jungian model.
Thats why i said personality, not functions.

Who said I had one personally?

It's simple. Compare conclusions drawn from dealing with MBTI stuff to conclusions coming from science of psychology.

(I do have my own thoughts on these matters but it's not something I can just start spreading as something definitely better than anything else. Best I can give at this point is contradictions noted from observations.)
You said that MBTI model is wrong, if you make that claim, you should be able to tell whats wrong with it and why. You know i hear new people coming up with their crazy ideas all the time about the organization of functions and none of them were any good. So excuse my pessimism towards your ideas before you actually explain your ideas.

Whatever's on http://www.myersbriggs.org/. Do you disagree with that?
Well what does it say about the I/E of tert function there?

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