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    ISJs: “Producing clever ideas or theories (Ne) will bring me wholeness.”
    Eh. The only clever ideas I get are in the kitchen, and they don't make me feel very good for very long.

    ITPs: “Securing love or public esteem (Fe) will bring me wholeness.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capsaicin View Post
    Eh. The only clever ideas I get are in the kitchen, and they don't make me feel very good for very long.



    The driving force behind much of my work.
    So deep down all you need is love?
    Love?
    Love?
    Love is all you need?

    Sorry, couldn't resist...

    Anyway, I can give you all the brotherly love you need.
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    and There is No Meaning!

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    The NFPs ones click with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    So deep down all you need is love?
    Love?
    Love?
    Love is all you need?

    Sorry, couldn't resist...

    Anyway, I can give you all the brotherly love you need.
    I'm curmudgeonly and have very little brotherly love, but you can eat some of my Ne-babies. There will be caramel banana bread soon.

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    I think those sound ok, but i dont think that they will bring wholeness, for that you need much much more.
    "Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling."
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    I think I'm pretty whole already. Two arms, two legs, two hands, two feet, ten fingers, ten toes, a head, two eyes, two ears, a nose, a mouth, a shitload of teeth, yada yada yada. Nope, there's not a single part of me missing and all of that without holding firm to my theories! Wow, who would've thought that was possible?
    Ewww is the new sexy


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    Quote Originally Posted by Comeback Girl View Post
    I think I'm pretty whole already. Two arms, two legs, two hands, two feet, ten fingers, ten toes, a head, two eyes, two ears, a nose, a mouth, a shitload of teeth, yada yada yada. Nope, there's not a single part of me missing and all of that without holding firm to my theories! Wow, who would've thought that was possible?
    That's interesting, so you are fine simply with what is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    That's interesting, so you are fine simply with what is?
    Why make life more complicated than it already is? Jeez, no wonder why so many people are depressed these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Comeback Girl View Post
    I think I'm pretty whole already. Two arms, two legs, two hands, two feet, ten fingers, ten toes, a head, two eyes, two ears, a nose, a mouth, a shitload of teeth, yada yada yada. Nope, there's not a single part of me missing and all of that without holding firm to my theories! Wow, who would've thought that was possible?
    You've only mentioned things that are immediately and directly visible and apparent (Se).

    Nothing you've mentioned touches on psychological wholeness, which is not immediately and directly visible and apparent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Comeback Girl View Post
    Why make life more complicated than it already is? Jeez, no wonder why so many people are depressed these days.
    It's probably more accurate and realistic to argue that people are so depressed these days because they lack psychological wholeness, not because theories of psychological wholeness exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    ESPs: “Holding firm to my own theories (Ni) will bring me wholeness.”
    Ironically, your need to hold firm to your own theories seems to have caused you to feel the need to leave for 2-3 weeks.
    "I trust what you are doing though…I just see it a little differently.
    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

    "Behind these gates of seeming warmth sits, loosely chained, a fierce attack dog. Perhaps not crazy, but dangerous"

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    Well, this is one of the more amusing threads I've stumbled onto in a while.

    What the guy at PersonalityJunkie — A.J. Drenth (who, FWIW, I don't consider a very good source) — says in the article quoted in the OP is not that the things described are "paths to wholeness." On the contrary, he says that the listed types are somewhat prone to be fooled by their inferior function into wrongly thinking those are their paths to wholeness, when in fact it's unhealthy for them to be focusing on those things.

    Here's a more complete quote from the article:

    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. Drenth
    [E]ach personality type has its own set of temptations that can lead to grip experiences. The following list describes some common "lies" or "temptations" of the inferior function:

    ETJs: "Focusing on my personal feelings and values (Fi) will bring me wholeness."
    EFJs: "Becoming more logical and independent (Ti) will bring me wholeness."
    ITPs: "Securing love or public esteem (Fe) will bring me wholeness."
    IFPs: "Being responsible, pious, and/or organized (Te) will bring me wholeness."
    INJs: "Directly beautifying the material world or acquiring wealth (Se) will bring me wholeness."
    ISJs: "Producing clever ideas or theories (Ne) will bring me wholeness."
    ESPs: "Holding firm to my own theories (Ni) will bring me wholeness."
    ENPs: "Acting dutifully, according to past precedent (Si), will bring me wholeness."

    The temptations or traps of one personality type may be entirely innocuous and healthy for another type. Healthy functioning for an ISTJ, for instance, does include focusing on being responsible, rule-conscious (Te), and dutiful (Si). But as we've seen, focusing on these things cannot be considered healthy for NFPs. With this in mind, each type must take the steps necessary to avoid falling prey to its own set of temptations. The first step is simply becoming more aware of these lies and temptations, as well as the warning signs of falling into the grip. Carefully choosing our career and hobbies, as well as attending to how we are working or playing, is also important.

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