During the reign of the Third Reich, Carl Gustav Jung assumed the Presidency of the General Society for Psychotherapy in Germany.
Jung's support of the Nazis could not be clearer, and explains why the crypto-fascists find him so fascinating, even to the point of quoting him in their signature.
Your preference for evil is growing.
nice trolling. even tho he worked in country invaded by the nazis, his aim was to have at least some form of psychotherapy(as he saw that the state was neglecting therapy and it was in a danger of being totally disregarded if someone doesent do the job regardless of maybe having their reputation stained) for the citizens who were suffering greatly from the nazi occupation. he didnt support the nazis, he was only helping people who were suffering inside a country invaded by the nazis..
This is wrong. They should not be thought of as separate things. Please do read more books. I think it will help to build out your perspectives
It's a method to evaluate someone's type - specifically Jungian type. They attempted to operationalize a solution that would allow you to assess your type and it works pretty well. Given the rigor the Step II assessment has along with the assistance of a professional for evaluation, I'd say it's more than a bit better than any of the free tests that I am aware of. Nardi's isn't really very good either. Some of the stuff behind the system (i.e. the functions you so dearly are interested in) are clearly described in the MBTI Step II manual and serve as the foundation for the system. They were always there behind the scenes but people didn't know they were there. Functions got re-popularized when this came out
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It clarifies and enriches. It doesn't create a new system because the MBTI was completely based on it already. An assessment methodology does not aways tie so directly to the underlying theory. All it needs to do is work. Who cares if they use facets. MBTI Step II should give you your "jungian" type if you want to call it that.
I think the meaning of subjectivity is very interesting.
It starts with play, for the purpose of play in children is to learn the difference between imagination and reality, or we might say, the difference between subjectivity and objectivity.
It starts with play and moves onto the scientific method which is a way of determining what is fact and what is speculation, or we might say, what is subjective and what is objective.
It starts with play, moves into the scientific method, and onto the suspension of disbelief which makes art, religion, poetry and movies possible.
It starts with play, and moves onto the scientific method, the onto the suspension of disbelief, but doesn't stop there. From there we move into inter-subjectivity.
Inter-subjectivity allows us to share our minds and makes us the most powerful animal on the planet.
I have noticed that. No all though
Try this - it's got the best stuff I've seen on Fi vs Fe
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Carl Jung was under the control of Hermann Wilhelm Göring, Reich Marshal of the Greater German Reich.
And under Reich Marshal Göring's orders, Carl Jung as President of the General Society for Psychotherapy in Germany, wrote that every practising psychotherapist would adopt Adolf Hitler's, "Mein Kampf", as a basic reference.
How does it operationalize it well in your opinion, then?
but then for example please explain the discrepancy between how the MBTI understands I/E and how Jung understands I/E.
How does it clarify and enrich?
so he lied to them that he was in their camp so that he could help people under nazi control. quite noble act since he would most likely got himself killed if he got caught
I know you would like to believe this as you are a devotee of Carl Jung, but Carl Jung, freely and willingly and without coercion, chose to serve Reich Marshal Göring. And as President the General Society for Psychotherapy in Germany he told every German psychotherapist to use Adolf Hitler's, "Mein Kampf", as a basic reference.
This led to the exile, torure and death of millions including Jews like Sigmund Freud and his family.
I can't help feeling that the price of being a devotee of Carl Jung, is intellectual integrity.
so he lied to them that he was in their camp so that he could help people under nazi control. quite noble act since he would most likely got himself killed if he got caught
It doesn't answer the question how subjectivity affects your personal reasoning. I am questioning your personal ability to objectivity reason, as has already been clarified, that attacking Jung and claiming his theory is invalid because it's built on his subjective understanding of the world is a hypocritical statement since you are doing exactly the same thing. So again, how can we know that your reasoning process and understanding of Jung, the world, and thus also the psyche, is more objective than Jung's and simply not mere subjective conjecture?
So you don't believe anything Jung said because you disagree with him morally?
So are Russians currently living in the fiscal instability of the 1990's since Vladimir Putin is a questionable and probably immoral person (the answer is no, because he stabilized Russia financially, even if he's a sociopath)?
While I understand your point, I can only relate it to philosophy; the only time that a person's personal morals convince me that their life philosophy was a load of crap...is when they claim to be a serious philosopher but build it on clearly biased ethical premises (see: Ayn Rand, Nietzsche).
By their fruits, ye shall know them. And the fruit of Jung's meanderings is his support of the Third Reich, the murder of Jews like Freud, and the abuse of his female patients.
This is rotten fruit so we might suspect his life philosophy is also rotten.
But the problem we have here is cognitive dissonance. On one hand we are on a site devoted to Jung, but on the other we are discovering he was mad and evil.
And so if the guru is mad and evil, are the devotees mad and evil?
Or will the devotees continue to live in denial?
Whether or not he was a nazi sympathizer, he sure had some clear ideas about what made different people tick.
Even an evil person can have great social intelligence and have a deep understanding of what makes people do what they do.
I think his morals were questionable, but like, I'm only able to look at Nazi Germany in a historical light, because I think it's incorrect and maladjusted to attempt to judge people by modern-day, information-filled globalized society; people who lived in Nazi Germany lived in a much smaller nationalist society.
Just as I can understand why some present-day Russians can be nationalists, I can understand why some Germans 100 years ago could be Nazis.
I do find your stubbornly self-absorbed lack of empathy a little bizarre for an Fi dom, but it's because you're an INFP instead of an ISFP; and you tend to operate in an Fi/Si loop, so you have difficulty shifting morality into context.
While I totally relate to your rabid sense of morality, as I have Fi too, I don't relate to your inability at ...what...45-60 years old?...to not be able to shift context into why people believe what they do and empathize with their specific circumstances, instead of some pre-determined "this always applies" blueprint.
Well, fascism and Jungism both lead to reification.
But today the fascism we are faced with is ideological jihad. In the last few days we have had ideological jihad attack Boston, Toronto and the French Embassy.
And just as Jungism reifies people, so ideological jihad also reifies people.
And as a liberal democrat I am completely opposed to ideological violence.
But before we kill people, we first turn them into things, we reify them.
We reify them in Jungism and we reify them in ideological jihad.
To oppose reification wherever we find it seems the only decent thing to do.
Given your ideological rigidity, I'm surprised. But at least you keep it peaceful and confined to opposing people on an MBTI forum, not unlike an atheist confronting people with pamphlets on Darwinism at the church door every Sunday.