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  1. #51
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    Aug 2010
    8w7 sx/sp


    Quote Originally Posted by Kasper View Post
    I did not have higher than expected levels of T (for females) running around my system before I started injecting it into my butt, which as Xenon shows is considerably lower than men. Nothing about my hormonal set up could explain my NTness.

    NT is the aspect of my type that I could never question, that my preference for Thinking over Feeling is there was always clear, and strong, and anyone who knew me would be sure of that much too. Since starting hormone therapy nothing has changed about my aggressiveness or other emotional things, and nothing has changed in terms of my thinking preference, what has happened is that I am in synch with how I've always felt, and I cop less static for being a NT.

    Amongst trans friends who are on hormones the same thing can be seen, some are naturally Fs, others Ts and the hormones their body produced pre-transition and the hormones circulating their system now have no effect based on my subjective view of them.

    I believe we are either born with our MBTI type, or it is developed in the first few years of our lives, ergo both nature and nurture, but not hormonal.
    Thanks for responding, Kasper. If anyone can confirm or deny the correlation between hormones and T/F indicators, it would be yourself and others who're transitioning. As a guess, you're probably receiving a much higher dosage and on a continuous schedule, than any of the study participants.

  2. #52
    royal member
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    Mar 2011
    5w6 sp/sx


    Hey. Couldn't find the wolves experiment, unfortunately. To be honest I didn't read that study, but someone once used the study to demonstrate something else. Problem is I don't remember where, why or when. Back in the days, I used to read some PUA forums and also some pheromone forums. In case someone is curious, phermones mostly work as a facilitator. There are many variations, each one with its purposes, but none of them are gonna make girls jump on your lap, you still gotta do your thing. Oh, and they are tricky as hell.

    Anyways, lemme post what I could find in my book ''Why him, Why her'', by Helen Fisher, about testosterone. I have the portuguese version, so it is possible that I made some translation mistakes. Keep in mind that I'm merely quoting the book, I don't have the means to prove the offered data.

    Spatial skills
    Keep in mind, however, that the body testosterone levels can be increased through puberty
    or other experiences, thereby contributing to their spatial skills. For example, women find
    their cars in parking lots with more ease at the time of menstruation, when estrogen levels
    decline, allowing testosterone to be expressed.
    The correlation between testosterone and spatial ability is not simple. An excess amount or
    too little of this powerful chemical can harm your spatial skills. Moreover, their daily habits
    and its environment always incluence. However, the link between testosterone and spatial skills
    is strong.
    Testosterone and Transgenders / humor
    In adulthood, testosterone injections can also affect the individual's ability to concentrate,
    as transgenders report. After three months of testosterone injections for a sex change operation,
    from female to male, one person said he became ''more narrow-minded''and changed in terms of mental focus,
    which went from wide to narrow. Maybe that's why the directors and tend to be thorough and detail-oriented.
    They are often focusing on the parts of a system rather than the whole. Perhaps this concentration
    also lead Directors to design and love puns and paradoxes. These strange shapes of humor juxtaposed
    structurally disparate ideas.
    Women and testosterone
    Women who experienced high levels of testosterone in the womb are more likely to follow professions
    in male-dominated areas and achieve positions of higher status. However, are less likely to marry,
    and have fewer children. So why, in evolutionary perspective, they struggle to move forward? Perhaps nature
    ambitious has evolved, in part, to help their biological relatives to survive, thus unconsciously
    transmitting part of your own DNA.
    Shortcomings associated with high testosterone (sounds a lot like a heavy Thinking type)
    Individuals with high fetal testosterone levels also tend to be less able to recognize emotions and less
    sensitive to the feelings of others. Just as those who suffer from mental blindness, they have a great
    difficulty understanding the point of view, ideas or feelings of others. Just as those who suffer
    of mental blindness, they have great difficulty understanding the point of view, ideas and feelings of others.
    They also may lack empathy and become distant and impersonal, even cold.

  3. #53
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    I wondered about "low testosterone" about eight or ten years ago, but I went to the doctor. After testing it was reported that my testosterone level was normal.

    Yet, I believe the doctor thought I was queer in denial because he said, "You know, you must be attracted for Viagra to work." Which I took to mean that he thought I was gay in denial.

    (Side note: I'm also peeved because he marked the test as "elective" even if it was very important to me, so I had to pay.)

    Anyway, there was a big question F or T, which I made another thread about recently

    I think perhaps I was naturally F, but any signs of emotion were violently discouraged from the "stop crying" department, or "stop that crying or I'll give you something to cry about." So I was taught to repress it, as boys are not supposed to cry.

    I think if someone said, "You must be T since your testosterone level is 20 times the normal population", then I'd still not believe it. I think I can use both Fi and Ti, but I'm not sure a hormone test will change the way I make decisions or change my perceptions of how I make decisions.

    I make lots of decisions, I'm pretty sure that T is not the dominant force. If I'm talking to someone else, I have do a little work if I'm going to translate my gut decision into logic, almost like if I were trying to think of a way to explain in terms of a foreign language. Some things I can't explain at all...not satisfactorily.

  4. #54
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    Pretty sure that the answer is genius.
    All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind.
    Chapter IV, p. 448. - Adam Smith, Book 3, The Wealth of Nations

    whether or not you credit psychoanalysis itself, the fact remains that we all must, to the greatest extent possible, understand one another's minds as our own; the very survival of humanity has always depended on it. - Open Culture

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