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Fe politics versus Fi politics

Metamorphosis

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Oh, come now. My point is that other factors have to be altered before a flat tax is adopted. Part of the reason we even have the rich get taxed more is because of what a ludicrously innapropriate amount of money they make.
Creating a flat tax before we've attempted to balance other aspects of the field would only inflame the inequality problem.

What constitutes ludicrously inappropriate? I bet many people that we consider poor here would be considered rich by many living in third world ghettos or refugee camps. Would the poor here be willing to give over a large portion of there money to help those who are more poor?
 

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How so? Virtually the only thing stopping people would be morals. I assure you that if I knew the government was going to take a large portion of my money upon my death, I wouldn't report it and I would make sure my family got it and knew how to spend it without getting caught.
For some reason I get the feeling that *most* men/people would agree with this/his sentiment.

Life is *inherently* difficult. Both as individuals and as parents, I think we instinctively intend to not only make our own lives easier, but to make that of our children's lives easier, as well.
 

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What constitutes ludicrously inappropriate? I bet many people that we consider poor here would be considered rich by many living in third world ghettos or refugee camps. Would the poor here be willing to give over a large portion of there money to help those who are more poor?

I based my terms entirely on proportions. Large and small amounts of wealth are not define by finite standards, but rather percentages of the accumulated national wealthy.

As for giving to people in other countries: That's a matter of foreign policy. You can try to give to others, but I don't think it would be a good idea, because this country needs to work itself out better before it could effectively nurture other countries.
 

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Mr. Galt, no, I wasn't saying I didn't understand *you*, I was saying that I didn't understand what you were stating, i.e. your point.

I would love to understand you better, by better understanding your POV (though there are no guaranties), so if you care to be understood better, please elucidate. ;)

Either way, it's all good.
 

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Mr. Galt, no, I wasn't saying I didn't understand *you*, I was saying that I didn't understand what you were stating, i.e. your point.

I would love to understand you better, by better understanding your POV (though there are no guaranties), so if you care to be understood better, please elucidate. ;)

Either way, it's all good.

My point is that what exists should have little influence on your ideas of what should be. Nothing more.
 

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My point is that what exists should have little influence on your ideas of what should be. Nothing more.
Ah, OK!!!! :) :) :)

Gotcha.

But if I want to construct a *reasonable* model as to what the world *should* be like, wouldn't it be necessary for me to have adequate knowledge on how the world *actually is* in order to efficiently/accurately model what it should be???

And, uh, hey... I thought I was supposed to be the idealistic one here... :huh:
 

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Ah, OK!!!! :) :) :)

Gotcha.

But if I want to construct a *reasonable* model as to what the world *should* be like, wouldn't it be necessary for me to have adequate knowledge on how the world *actually is* in order to efficiently/accurately model what it should be???

And, uh, hey... I thought I was supposed to be the idealistic one here... :huh:

Apparantly you haven't read Ayn Rand.
 

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Ah, OK!!!! :) :) :)

Gotcha.

But if I want to construct a *reasonable* model as to what the world *should* be like, wouldn't it be necessary for me to have adequate knowledge on how the world *actually* is in order to efficiently/accurately model what it should be???
The creators of the first "government" had nothing to base their model on. You have at least an average (although because you are posting in a political thread I'd say above average) knowledge of government. Also, like any good system, a good political/governmental system functions logically, a form of thought everybody is capable of.

And, uh, hey... I thought I was supposed to be the idealistic one here... :huh:

INTJ introverted functions are Ni and Fi. Our implementation is just 100% logical thinking.
Apparantly you haven't read Ayn Rand.
Eh? What does she have to do with this? An idealistic INTJ?
You read her books. Why don't you help us out? :harhar:
 

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Apparantly you haven't read Ayn Rand.

And you probably shouldn't. :coffee:

I will say his name once more! Mancur Olson!
Somebody look-up collective action and save me some trouble.
 

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Apparantly you haven't read Ayn Rand.
No, I haven't, but from what little I've read on Objectivism, it really doesn't appeal to me, and I think she might've had a screw or three loose.
 

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No, I haven't, but from what little I've read on Objectivism, it really doesn't appeal to me, and I think she might've had a screw or three loose.

:rofl1: You just insulted Mr. Galt's idol. He obviously picked his username after the protagonist in Atlas Shrugged. My work here is done.
 

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:rofl1: You just insulted Mr. Galt's idol. He obviously picked his username after the protagonist in Atlas Shrugged. My work here is done.
Not insulted at all. We have discussed this before, Kiddo. I agree with her on many points, but not all. And why would I idolize a person simply because she agrees with me?
 

SillySapienne

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The creators of the first "government" had nothing to base their model on. You have at least an average (although because you are posting in a political thread I'd say above average) knowledge of government. Also, like any good system, a good political/governmental system functions logically, a form of thought everybody is capable of.
Really, they didn't loosely base it on the ancient Greek construct of a/the Republic, or something like that????


*neither a history nor a poli. sci. buff*
 

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Really, they didn't loosely base it on the ancient Greek construct of a/the Republic, or something like that????


*neither a history nor a poli. sci. buff*

The Greek political construct was not the first political/governmental entity, so these "pioneers" of sorts could not base their system on something that had not yet occurred.
 

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So, basically you are talking about discontinuous political growth, i.e. revolution?!?!?
 

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The Greek political construct was not the first political/governmental entity, so these "pioneers" of sorts could not base their system on something that had not yet occurred.

The first political construct was Hammurabi who initiated the first code of law, "An eye for an eye."
 

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Civilization seems to have independantly developed in a few different places.
The people who developed these civilizations had only tribal and nomadic societies before them.

I imagine that much of the development of modern society as it is was not planned.
 
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