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    Introverted Intuition:
    - Prefers to converge to one view
    - Seeks to reduce things to their essence and fit it into a big picture
    - Adept at shifting paradigms

    Pretty much everything else I've heard about it reeks of special snowflake syndrome.

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    Introverted Intuition is the seeing the images that are formed from external stimuli. Some may be too faint to see others are clearer and more pronounced. It is watching a gallery of artwork you've never seen before and it can be explored through many ways by trying to understand the object in your minds eye. Your own mind knows the meaning of the subjective world inside from that viewpoint.

    It is good to be patient with these impressions as they are heavy in meaning and are not meant to be taken lightly. For INJ's they should be the ones most concerned with this inner realm as this is what they should follow if they want to have a more fulfilling life.

    Many of my mistakes in life has been not trying to follow this dominant function instead being tricked by my inferior extroverted sensing which wants it here and now and reeks of impatience or at least it's the culture I have now grown up in and that is partly to blame. Doesn't mean I can't change though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever View Post
    Introverted Intuition is the seeing the images that are formed from external stimuli. Some may be too faint to see others are clearer and more pronounced. It is watching a gallery of artwork you've never seen before and it can be explored through many ways by trying to understand the object in your minds eye. Your own mind knows the meaning of the subjective world inside from that viewpoint.

    It is good to be patient with these impressions as they are heavy in meaning and are not meant to be taken lightly. For INJ's they should be the ones most concerned with this inner realm as this is what they should follow if they want to have a more fulfilling life.

    Many of my mistakes in life has been not trying to follow this dominant function instead being tricked by my inferior extroverted sensing which wants it here and now and reeks of impatience or at least it's the culture I have now grown up in and that is partly to blame. Doesn't mean I can't change though.
    What I like about the above that I bolded, is that it is very nearly how I describe my use of Si. I understand things in terms of photographs and impressions. Since it's internalized, the impressions, though taken from the outside realm, are still very much internalized and subjective.

    Just as there are some intriguing similarities between Ne and Se, I am sure the same can be said between Ni and Si. The only difference being, that Ni looks beneath, and Si doesn't. In my discussions with people on the forum, I realized Ne and Se are essentially looking at the same things, but extracting data differently. I would go so far in saying the N/S divide isn't actually all that wide.

    Alright shoot, well I didn't mean to go off on thought there , your wording just intrigued me.
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    As I understand it, Ni often takes on a visual nature especially for INFJs, but this is not a defining characteristic of Ni. I believe seeing Images that are derived from external stimuli (memory) is more characteristic of Si than Ni. If it has a visual nature, Ni sees images which are not derived from external stimuli, but rather arise from the depths of the unconscious.

    I don't think visual thinking is by any means exclusive to Ni or Si either, as 75% of the population uses visual thinking to some degree.
    Visual thinking - Wikipedia

    Research by child development theorist Linda Kreger Silverman suggests that less than 30% of the population strongly uses visual/spatial thinking, another 45% uses both visual/spatial thinking and thinking in the form of words, and 25% thinks exclusively in words. According to Kreger Silverman, of the 30% of the general population who use visual/spatial thinking, only a small percentage would use this style over and above all other forms of thinking, and can be said to be true "picture thinkers".[2]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiastic_Dreamer View Post
    What I like about the above that I bolded, is that it is very nearly how I describe my use of Si. I understand things in terms of photographs and impressions. Since it's internalized, the impressions, though taken from the outside realm, are still very much internalized and subjective.

    Just as there are some intriguing similarities between Ne and Se, I am sure the same can be said between Ni and Si. The only difference being, that Ni looks beneath, and Si doesn't. In my discussions with people on the forum, I realized Ne and Se are essentially looking at the same things, but extracting data differently. I would go so far in saying the N/S divide isn't actually all that wide.

    Alright shoot, well I didn't mean to go off on thought there , your wording just intrigued me.
    Introverted Sensation focuses on the archetype of the sensations it collects. That's why their stories can be so vivid, every life experience adds on to their memory making very life-like memories.
    Introved Intuition focuses on the archetype of the meaning of events. Ni can recall events and may be past-oriented in that way. They take the essence or the core of those events and synthesize it into a pattern ready to predict whatever life comes at them.

    Now for both Ni and Si they're introverted and will only be as accurate as much as their extroverted counterpart fills it in for them. Ni users can be very adept so long as they keep fulfilling their auxiliary functions' goals. Without it, they're clueless. The image recall is for Ni and Si users to figure out how to predict their own futures. Ni with patterns, Si with experience.

    Overall, Si is better than Ni when it comes to specialization, as Si has the specifics and Ni is merely an outline. Ni balances Si out by being ready for more experiences than Si will be. Both types will have a difficult time throwing out their own libraries of knowledge if something traumatic happens or something so revolutionary happens getting them both out of sync.

    Sometimes the image isn't so heavily needed as the user can re-reference their past observations several times without having to see the image and continue on. Both areas of perception are very quick and do not need to be looked at for long if doing a task already seen before.

    Now here's the big takeoff:
    What the hell is the image you see in your head Ni user?
    I can't speak for everyone but I see something combined with real-time movement of what you can so call sensory data making pieces of abstract artwork, some more easily recognizable and others harder to describe. To describe one's vision is pretty much nonsense as it's subjective content from unconscious to the Ni user. Jung says your dreams are messages from your unconscious balancing the conscious aspect of your mind. Sometimes how the Ni user acts or receives events may be very dream-like for example:

    While ignoring college for a while, I'd always hit every single red light on a crosswalk. Or I'd forget always one thing. These patterns the unconscious can not only be manifested in the psyche, but also in reality. It may be the Ni who only sees external patterns concentrated towards the individual user. Others may see it as God punishing them or the universe is at an imbalance, whatever your view, the unconscious is not something to be messed with.

    To understand Ni really at its core, understand the collective unconscious and the individual unconscious. Ni is the bridge between human-viewed-like manifestations and the true reality. We as a human species have not evolved enough for our conscious aspect of ourselves to be complete and whole, therefore we as humans are unconsciously dependent on our unconscious. There are still those who fall ill who have split psyches, and psychology is still a new science waited to be fleshed out.
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    @Forever Fantastic post!
    Often a star was waiting for you to notice it. A wave rolled toward you out of the distant past, or as you walked under an open window, a violin yielded itself to your hearing. All this was mission. But could you accomplish it? (Rilke)

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    @Forever Fantastic post!
    Thank you OrangeAppled! it just felt right to share my knowledge of it at this time.
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    Let me explain this thread.

    First, go read this link: Abstraction, intuition, and the “monad tutorial fallacy” | blog :: Brent -> [String]

    You don't need to know what a monad is. That's not the point. The point is what would you need to do in order to understand a monad?

    It's just like this thread. Just as someone who understands monads tries to explain them in terms of "It's easy: a monad is like a burrito!", it's just as unclear when someone says, "Ni is like <fill in the blank>". The intuition is NOT the abstraction. The intuition is a mental construct that enables YOU to understand the abstraction.

    The irony with Ni is that we end up in a deep rabbit hole of intuitions about intuitions about intuitions about intuitions of Ni, none of which are Ni, per se. They can only point to it, and they can only do so in a half-assed way. As with the metaphor of the hand pointing at the moon, we become obsessed with the hand and ignore the moon.

    So, what do you need to do to really understand what Ni is like, what Ni is good at? Well, try to figure out exactly what a monad is. Or perhaps start off with functors, which are its elemental building blocks. In general, any task where you have to figure out some kind of high level abstract pattern which is really difficult to explain in words, but you can learn by playing with it and using it in context. In the hand-moon metaphor, you need to actually turn your head to look at the moon and ignore the fucking hand.

    If you manage to figure out what a monad or functor to such a level that you can explain it to someone else who understands them already. When you get to that level, you'll be able to share your analogy whether it's burritos or whatever, and they'll just get it, because they understand the concept you're trying to describe in the first place.

    Now, imagine being able to do that without really trying and applying it to (almost) everything, even things that are plain as the nose on your face and don't need that level of abstraction: that's Ni.
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    Conceptual pattern creep
    Im out, its been fun
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    @uumlau you lost me at your last paragraph. What is the "that" you're referring to? Also are you saying that Ni is simply just a cognitive function that only just explains things abstractly with ease?
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