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    Quote Originally Posted by theforsaken View Post
    Can someone describe the Ni-Ti loop for me?
    Tnx.
    Dominant-Tertiary Loops and Common Personality Disorders
    ISTP/INFJ: Ti/Ni or Ni/Ti--Schizoid Personality Disorder. These types are socially incompetent for lack of trying, because they see little to no value in significant interaction with others. They live in their own abstract worlds, constantly second-guessing themselves as Ti poses a framework for a problem and Ni shoots it down as too definitionally precise. Without any real external input, these two functions will dream up all sorts of elaborate systems and implications for them, only to repeat their own self-defeating behavior, never bothering to emphasize putting any of its intense ideas into practice. Frequent disregard for rules, laws and other forms of behavioral standards is common, as no function provides any significant sense of external influence. If Se/Fe were doing its job, the user would recognize the value of connecting with others and of paying attention to their needs, preferences, habits and appearances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theforsaken View Post
    Can someone describe the Ni-Ti loop for me?
    Tnx.
    It's a crock of crap a depressed person came up with who saw only the negative in everything, including the butter on his english muffin in the morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    It's a crock of crap a depressed person came up with who saw only the negative in everything, including the butter on his english muffin in the morning.
    ;p
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    Quote Originally Posted by theforsaken View Post
    ;p
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar
    It's a crock of crap a depressed person came up with who saw only the negative in everything, including the butter on his english muffin in the morning.

    Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
    Pointing out horse shit in some of your posts hardly qualifies as "seeing only the negative in everything."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    Dominant-Tertiary Loops and Common Personality Disorders
    ISTP/INFJ: Ti/Ni or Ni/Ti--Schizoid Personality Disorder. These types are socially incompetent for lack of trying, because they see little to no value in significant interaction with others. They live in their own abstract worlds, constantly second-guessing themselves as Ti poses a framework for a problem and Ni shoots it down as too definitionally precise. Without any real external input, these two functions will dream up all sorts of elaborate systems and implications for them, only to repeat their own self-defeating behavior, never bothering to emphasize putting any of its intense ideas into practice. Frequent disregard for rules, laws and other forms of behavioral standards is common, as no function provides any significant sense of external influence. If Se/Fe were doing its job, the user would recognize the value of connecting with others and of paying attention to their needs, preferences, habits and appearances.
    The fun of the internet is that any kid can come up with a theory, post it as if it were fact without any sort of references or experience behind it, and then many years later it can be cited as being authoritative. It's posts like the one you just quoted that make a lot of people very skeptical of function theory overall. The connections being drawn between functions and behavior here don't really exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    The fun of the internet is that any kid can come up with a theory, post it as if it were fact without any sort of references or experience behind it, and then many years later it can be cited as being authoritative. It's posts like the one you just quoted that make a lot of people very skeptical of function theory overall. The connections being drawn between functions and behavior here don't really exist.
    Is there such a thing as a dom-tert loop?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    Is there such a thing as a dom-tert loop?
    I personally regard it as a post hoc ergo propter hoc description of something that's already well understood in other terms. Functions aren't things in your head that do things and interact with each other. They're patterns, part of a typology. So if you want to talk about what Ni is, or what an Ni dom is like, you can actually have a coherent conversation on that level. But if you want to talk how Ni interacts with Fi or Ti and how it can be healthy or unhealthy, you're starting to mix psychology (mental health) with function theory and MBTI, and neither of these typologies describes neuroses very well. There is something to be said for mapping Enneagram to mental health, and the Riso-Hudson books describe the various levels of integration in a way that coheres remarkably closely to the DSM.
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    How is this thread still alive lol, is apparently the repetition of mostly the same answer not enough for you all lol?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    I personally regard it as a post hoc ergo propter hoc description of something that's already well understood in other terms. Functions aren't things in your head that do things and interact with each other. They're patterns, part of a typology. So if you want to talk about what Ni is, or what an Ni dom is like, you can actually have a coherent conversation on that level. But if you want to talk how Ni interacts with Fi or Ti and how it can be healthy or unhealthy, you're starting to mix psychology (mental health) with function theory and MBTI, and neither of these typologies describes neuroses very well. There is something to be said for mapping Enneagram to mental health, and the Riso-Hudson books describe the various levels of integration in a way that coheres remarkably closely to the DSM.
    So if someone asks about a dom-tert loop such as the Ni-Ti loop, you're response would always be skeptical about the entire idea?
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