Skylights posted the full 8 function order in another thread and it got me thinking..and helped me figure stuff out for myself as you can see below.
I would like people who have the time and feel like it, to share how their function order impacts them. Taking these theorethical descriptions and applying them to who they are, and see if they fit, as I've done. I think we can learn a lot from how each function works for each type and each person. It should provide a lot of insights, I hope.
sweet, good idea!!
According to the test I just took:
Ti
Ne
Fi
Te
Ni
Se
Si
Fe
What does that mean? I can't be bothered to analyze it.
it means that you are lazy
The problem with function roles is that one can bend functions to match the roles as they apply to his/her own life if they try hard enough. Just like any of the more detailed aspects of MBTI, you sort of have to ask how exactly the function roles have been validated.. or at least what the rationale behind them is.
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So uh I guess what I'm saying is to try not to base too much on things that have little rationale, as your whole way of thinking will fall once your fundamental assumptions are no longer seen as valid.
so true, excellent point for sure.
i do think the theory is valuable, and not pulled out of thin air. i was skeptical at first when i saw how complex it was, but it's based off of some simple principles, like balance. if my primary function is Ne, extraverted Perceiving, then i need an introverted Judging function to balance it. but to balance
that, i'm going to need another extroverted function, and it goes that way down the list. i do wonder if there could be an ENFP whose functions go more in the order of Ne > Fi > Si > Te, because, in truth, i don't see any real reason Te
must come before Si. if Fi and Si are next to each other in order, you do have two introverted functions in a row, but if Fi and Te are, then you have two Judging functions in a row. either way, they don't work out perfectly. but then, i am not terribly well-versed in function theory.
okay, so, in the interest of remaining neutral in regards to my functions, i figure that first i'll just step back and look at each of the functions i use and how, without looking at the roles. i do love the idea of jungian archetypes, though, so maybe i'll go back and analyze some of those later.
as for preference... probably Ne > Fi > Te > Se = Si > Fe = Ni > Ti. i'll talk about them in proper order though.
Extraverted iNtuition - i love Ne. it's an endless stream of ideas and colors and possibilities. it's always seeing connectivity in everything. at home, growing up, i was always praised for my ability to make connections and associations at, even if they didn't always use clear step-by-step form, so i've always trusted this function a lot. Ne paired with Te can get me out of almost any corner.
Satine said:
Since it was considered 'cheating' at home, I've always felt guilty for not 'doing the proper work' when engaging in this. But it works. Ne always gets me out of a jam when nothing else can.
Satine it's interesting that you say this because i didn't get this until school. i was typically the top student (not to be conceited - it was very much a double-edged sword and i regret it somewhat, i think it's an easy tendency for ENFPs though because Ne is visibly quick and Fi is people-pleasing).
anyway,one of my most traumatic early school memories is in 2nd grade when i came up with a way of solving a type of math problems that was easier for me, and being called up to the board in class to do a problem - at which point the teacher criticized me for using a different ("wrong") method to get the answer. i was both floored and embarrassed. to the day, i am really annoyed by rules or methods that "hold me back". i do now understand the value of doing it the standard way, but back then, i was completely mystified. i argued with my teacher in front of the class as to why it wasn't wrong...
incidentally i'm also pretty sure Ne is the reason i can't listen to anything but slow instrumental music and write at the same time, which so many other people seem to be able to do easily. there are just too many ideas and patterns that catch my attention otherwise.
Introverted Feeling - Fi is, to me, about meaning. Ne might provide access to an endless flow, but none of it would mean anything without Fi to give importance. i think partially because of Ne, lots of my Fi-values are things like "everyone is valuable" and "most people have good intentions" (bad intentions typically coming from a place of hurt) - things that are very broad in nature. Fi is what makes me pissed off at good-music songs that have negative lyrics, lol. Fi makes it easy to "read" people for genuineness and how to connect with them when they are at a place of hurt. the word i mainly associate it with is "love", because while i do understand that Fi is self-centered, all of my actions must start with myself, so i don't see there being conflict in that. i also see the world in F pulses/impressions - my thoughts and memories are largely images and emotions. i've always told others that i think in pictures, and the concept of Fi makes sense of that.
Extroverted Thinking - growing up with a pair of INTPs, i've very much had to develop my Thinking to be able to hold my own with them, and it's not something i regret at all. i still base my value judgments in Fi, but i can explain them using Te. admittedly, when i'm angry, my Te is not always the most refined thing, and i need to work my way through things via writing or speaking before i can connect the dots logically, and it often involves a lot of reorganizing. Satine, what you said about this rings very true for me as well:
I usually detest routine and repetition, but it's quite soothing in this form, especially when I'm mentally burned out. It gives me a focus that's uncomplicated
when i'm tired and need a break from intellectual thinking, i really enjoy doing something like organizing documents on my computer, sorting things by color, etc. i love charts and diagrams, and i make and use lots of lists, contrary to what every description of Ps says. i'm do a bit of programming, and i really enjoy clean, concise, and well-organized code too. i tend to think i have some kind of elegant/clean Te-aesthetic, in addition to my Ne OMG SHINY, lol
Introverted Sensing - in some ways this is a confounding function to me; i don't entirely understand it. my memory is not the best detail-wise, though i am very good at remembering ideas, theories, and feelings. i get deja vu enough to merit mention, which seems like a Si-Ni thing to me, and when i have an important project, i can be
very detail-oriented. i do enjoy the past and tend to retain the details of happier memories much more easily than negative ones. i aim to get meaning from the negative, and only tend to remember that.
Introverted iNtuition - Ni. i really like Ni, especially since it's a bit mystical. my Ni moments always come after a long intense bout of Ne, when i'm finally chilling out and on Se autopilot. and then stuff hits me, those OHHHH moments, lol. i don't often have the future-imperative drive that i've seen Ni described to have, but i generally figure out books and movies by 1/3 of the way through (besides Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead, i loved those books) - though nothing like an ENFJ friend of mine can. i love archetypes and connecting back to that idea of "collective consciousness" - wasn't Jung himself Ni dom? i don't have enough confidence to trust any predictions IRL though - too many Ne possibilities. i love Ni humor too - not looking outside the box like Ne, but looking at the box in a different way.
Extraverted Feeling - thanks to my wonderful ESFJ mom i have experienced mostly nuturing, generous, selfless, caring Fe. however, i have also experienced guilt trips, which i cannot stand! anyway, thanks to her, i've been able to develop my Fe much more. i do have a better appreciation of social protocol and gestures. that said, i'm still typically a bit awkward when using Fe, which i think makes me less socially extraverted than i would be otherwise. i have a great desire to be socially fluid but i have to work hard to maintain it.
Introverted Thinking - um, do i even use Ti? poor neglected Ti. actually, where i see Ti manifested most in my life is in terms of my thinking about organizational systems. colors, for instance, and words -
maroon for example is a very specific color in my opinion, and i am annoyed when others mark it incorrectly, or think differently. it upsets me when i don't have a clear understanding of exactly what a certain word means or if there are conflicting descriptions. if i'm in an argument and losing i'll pull in Ti to attack semantics and catch someone in a Ne-Ti trap (i know this and not how to explain it, damn it Ne)
Extraverted Sensing - i mentioned this in the other thread, but i actually love Se. when i'm overstimulated, Se is incredibly comforting - i feel like if i let Ne "tune out" then Se is there underneath - it's the yoga idea of "letting go" and just feeling/hearing your breathing, and everything around you. i'm not very good at paying attention to everything around me, but i do experience sensations in what i would call "rich detail." i also finally had a moment the other night when that one description of Se's thing about "instantly reading cues to see how far we can go in a situation" clicked - that's when i'm driving and i push it as fast as i can go around a corner without losing control and shift and brake at the very last minute, relying completely on the feel of the clutch and the sound of the engine to tell me what i need to know. yay Se
okay, now gonna go match these up to the roles... woooo
