Victor:
Did you read what I said about Jung? I'm not a fan of Jung.
If it weren’t for CPS (Consulting Psychologists Press) Jung would have faded out of public
awareness. CPS holds the publishing rights for the MBTI. Although 2 million people take it
each year and there are dozens of discussion boards with endless conversations about the
subtleties of the various types there is no way of being sure that these types are real. People
retake the test and get different results. A large number of dedicated Jungian therapists don’t
find it useful in their practice and there are quite a few therapists that have offered alternative
theories that eliminate the problems of the dichotomous structure of Jung’s type theory. It is hard
to know which function is even taking the test.
W.H. Sheldon, knew Jung from when he worked at his institute in Switzerland. Sheldon
determined that Jung’s somatotype was 4,6,3 . That would make him 4 endomorphy, 6
mesomorphy, 2½ ectomorphy and 5 equimorphy (balance). Translated into a body-type he was
extremely muscular - actually athletic. Combined with 4 in the visceral (gut) component he
would have made a decent NFL line man. His ectomorphy (nervous system) was below average
for most men. In fact his low ectomorphy suggests that his inferior function would be - thinking.
So basically his organismic systems would rank as follows:
Muscular- (Sensation type) 6
Orientaional -(Intuitive) 5
Visceral - (Feeling) 4
Nervous - (Thinking) 2½
Muscular in the first position suggest a desire for raw power and control. Orientational system in
the second position means a person is “searching-scanning†for the means to control. So this is a
person who wants to develop a system for dominating. Nervous being last means he avoids
restriction and boundary.
He was an extreme extravert that was interested in dominance and control of everything in his
environment including people.
Isn't ironic that Jung's personality as indicated by his somatotype is close to the assessment you would make.
As far as touching a nerve. It's my sensitive bs detector. I don't care if the bearer of truth is the devil himself. I am interested in truth. And criticizing a methodology because it is used for evil (Nazi use of anthropometry) is not the measure of a technology. Nazi's used every conceivable technology available to them to do what they wanted to do. A method is neutral.
FDG
A 2,4,4 male is around 68.4 inches tall
Weight pattern: 129 age 20 135 age 30 141 age 40 142 age 50
This type is considered a hard gainer in body building circles
Simple temperament description of 2,4,4 Works for Change. Avoids compromise, intimacy and surrender.
Andy:
About Winston Churchill. He definitely wasn't an ectomorph. His endomorphy was clearly evident in his pot belly and heavy jowls. He was 66.5 inches tall.
I would guess his somatotype at 6, 2.5, 2 That would make him close to the area of an INFJ
Red Herring:
Re: Wikipedia "The majority of scientists today generally consider such theories outdated.[citation needed]
The usual way a theory is outdated is when an attempt to replicate research repeatedly fails. No one has tried to replicate Sheldon's original research where he found .8 correlation between somatotype and a temperament scale he originated.
However, others have somatotyped populations and administered personality tests where the correlations were significant although low (.3 to .6).
The main reason others didn't try to replicate his research is because of Sheldon's use of nude photographs to determine somatotype.
Even though nude photographs are no longer needed to determine somatotype very few people know that and graduate students tend to avoid tainted areas of research for fear it will affect their career.
Cascadeco:
Guessing you are about 65 inches tall and under 120. You look to be average endomorphy 4. About 2 mesomorphy. 4.5 ectomorphy
Although you could easily be INFJ you might find some of the INFP applies also.
Would need to know Height and weight for sure at age 20 and then 30
INA: Half endo and half ecto would mean a tall person who can fatten up somewhat and also is under a 3 in Mesomorphy.
Babylon Candle:
A 5 in mesomorphy is quite athletic. If you aren't real athletic you are probably a 4 in mesomorphy.
perhaps language issues? What does "Works for change" mean?
