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    Default What type is the most independent and why?

    I'm fiercely independent. It's taken me a lot of years to realize it and understand it. But, I was thinking about it, and I think that all 4 of my functions play a significant role in my independence.

    I - because I'm naturally drawn to the inner world and don't always feel drawn to the outer world (people)

    N - I think all N's have an independent streak and it's probably because we think differently than the masses (S's). We think abstractly and so, after a lot of "S" time, we want to revert back into our "N" worlds.

    T - The only reason I think my T contributes to my desire for independence is because it is Ti (and not Te). I don't necessarily have a desire to organize people, I'd rather organize thoughts, ideas, concepts, and systems.

    P - contributes to the desire for each day to be different and to not fall into a mundane, routine life. Desire for things to be new and exciting, keeps us looking for new things.

    If you consider yourself a highly independent person, how do you think your functions contribute to your independence?
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    INTP, followed by ISTP, ENTP and ESTP; although it really depends on how one defines independent. ExxPs are very individualistic, but generally quite sociable (especially ESxPs).
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    I value independence, by definition of working and being alone, so much that it physically hurts me and it makes me want to kill someone for it.

    I am not comfortable with other's relying on me but I hate having to rely on others.

    On independence:

    1. Ti
    2. Fi
    3. Ni
    4. Si
    5. Ne
    6. Se
    7. Te
    8. Fe

    Je(Fe and Te) hates "Lone time".

    Ji(Ti and Fi) loves "lone time".

    P(Ni, Si, Ne and Se) is almost neutral but Pe(Ne and Se) is a minus on "lone time".

    In reality, it's very relative to the person. (his beliefs, experiences etc.)

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    S is not being with the "masses"... haha.. It's simply preferring to experience the sensory world (and as far as i'm concerned, there are not other optional worlds at the moment). And senses are used in reference to people and without reference to them. I might like looking at the waves crashing for an hour by myself. That's not dependency. That's just existing with things as they are.

    I'd still agree that an INTP is potentionally more independent though. If you consider the ability to get lost in ideas/concepts/etc to be independent. I've noticed that some of you can walk 10 blocks thinking about something, and not realize what's around you (or something along those lines). That's definitely more indepedent, in some sense. But I would think all introverts, especially the percievers, are the same as you when it comes to people.

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    No fucking way Si is so high up.

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    ^
    Introversion/Extroversion determines the affinity for "independence". Pi requires introversion and at the same time dislikes external outputs. What's about it that dislikes independence?

    It's from introverted functions to judgment functions then to perceiving functions.

    Independence(+):

    Ti
    Fi
    Ni
    Si


    Independence(-):

    Ne
    Se
    Te
    Fe

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    I have a hard time seeing extroverts as independent because they seem so reliant on people to feed them energy.

    I'm going to say IPs, especially INxPs. I think the Ji functions have the most autonomous vibe to them. iNtuition can make you seem detached from the external. Probably Ti is a bit more independent than Fi, because Feeling tends to deal more in the realms of people.

    So something like: INTP > ISTP = INFP > ISFP
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    ^Agreed

    Now I wonder what comes after ISFP. ENTP? Do they sit in the middle?

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    1. INTP
    2. INTJ
    3. Everyone else

    This isn't so much an IxxP thing, it's an INTependence thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTPness View Post
    I'm fiercely independent. It's taken me a lot of years to realize it and understand it. But, I was thinking about it, and I think that all 4 of my functions play a significant role in my independence.

    I - because I'm naturally drawn to the inner world and don't always feel drawn to the outer world (people)

    N - I think all N's have an independent streak and it's probably because we think differently than the masses (S's). We think abstractly and so, after a lot of "S" time, we want to revert back into our "N" worlds.

    T - The only reason I think my T contributes to my desire for independence is because it is Ti (and not Te). I don't necessarily have a desire to organize people, I'd rather organize thoughts, ideas, concepts, and systems.

    P - contributes to the desire for each day to be different and to not fall into a mundane, routine life. Desire for things to be new and exciting, keeps us looking for new things.

    If you consider yourself a highly independent person, how do you think your functions contribute to your independence?
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