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    Alright guys, my sincere apologies for calling S's "the masses". I was in a hurry when I wrote it, but that's no excuse. When I used that term, I was thinking strictly numbers (more sensors than intuitives); I wasn't thinking in my mind "sensors are a big mindless herd of cows". I wasn't thinking like that at all. Where it ties in with my independence is that I have a lot of ideas. NP's are very big on "ideas". And a lot of times, NP's (well, me anyways) have trouble connecting with sensors because they see us as kind of loopy at times. So, I think that contributes to my desire for independence. Kind of like, "OK, you don't have to like my ideas, but I know they are good ideas, so I'll just talk about them with someone else or do them on my own."

    The other thing is that it seemed like in KDude's post (the one I responded to) that he was making it sound like "this is the world we live in and, therefore, sensory skills are all that matters". As if to say, what other skills would you need in this world? That makes it sound like intuitives don't have valuable skills. And that's just not true.

    I remember working in construction and I got into a debate with the owner of the construction company (ESTJ). We were installing a partition into concrete and he was having a heck of a time figuring out the directions. I've never seen him struggle with something so much. He's usually genius at anything construction related. And then he said, "The freaking engineers who manufacture this stuff are complete idiots. All that schooling for nothing. Idiots!"

    Here's the thing: The world needs both kinds of people. Without the engineer/inventor/creative thinker/idea guys, we don't have any new technologies. We'd still be back in the stone ages. I'll grant you that some of these people come up with some whacky ideas that aren't very practical. But, a lot of the advancements we have in society and in technology are a result of this "outside of the box" type of thinking. We also need people who are great with the actual application of these things. Everyone has a certain skill set that adds value.

    I'm interested to know how you guys see these kind of intuitives? Are they just "out to lunch"? Of no use to society? Do you see them as having certain skills that you don't? Or do you just see intuitives as "a bunch of people who aren't as good as you at sensory things?"

    That's what I don't get. I had sensor friends in college who in physics class or economics or even English classes (English for crying out loud!), who after class would say to me, "I have no idea what the professor is even talking about? Do you?" I would say, "Yes, I do." Then they would say, "Really? Do you think you could help me study or help me understand it?" I would help them and then you hear them on some other occasion talking about how "spacy engineers don't bring any value to the world". It's like, "Dude, I'm a spacy-engineer type and I just helped you understand your own native language better. And now you're talking about them not having any value?"

    I just don't get that at all. There are things that sensors do AWESOME that I look at and go, "Wow! I totally wish I could do that!" But, there are also things that I do that seem so totally simple and easy and they can't figure it out. It's like a foreign language to them.

    So, again, my apologies for the "masses" reference. I wasn't trying to get on my high horse and talk about sensors. But, I also want to point out that we have valuable skills. Our skills are usually the ones that sensors aren't as good at, and vice versa. We're at our best, when we learn to put these skills together and help each other out.
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    ISTPs and ITJs.
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    'Cause you can't handle me...

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    ^ Sorry for the lack of explanation as to why, just not in the mood to get into something I don't particularly care about, but via my experience, ISTPs are fiercely independent, and ITJs are pretty fucking independent, too.

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    INTPs, INTJs, and ISTPs are probably the most independent types for different reasons.

    If every human were to disappear from earth and they were the only ones left I think they would have an easier time adapting to a world without other people, some of them might even enjoy a world without people.

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    ^ The ISTP would survive and thrive the longest, imo, if he were the last man on earth.
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    If I was the last man on earth, I'd probably kill myself trying to escape the evil grip of all the needy women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    ^ The ISTP would survive and thrive the longest, imo, if he were the last man on earth.
    I sort of thought this too.

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    Gah, I meant man, as in mankind, hu-man.



    I knew something like this was gonna happen.

    You ITs,
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    Gah, I meant man, as in mankind, hu-man.



    I knew something like this was gonna happen.

    You ITs,
    Ofcourse you did. I just have issues restraining myself when certain oppertunities arrive. It is my flaw, not yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    ^ The ISTP would survive and thrive the longest, imo, if he were the last man on earth.

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